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How to deal with a falling population
The Economist ^ | 07/30/2007

Posted on 07/31/2007 7:25:05 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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1 posted on 07/31/2007 7:25:08 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot; Froufrou
How to deal with a falling population

I can think of a thing or two...
2 posted on 07/31/2007 7:29:34 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: SirLinksalot

Homeschoolers (conservative by nature) have big families; “liberals” are either homosexuals or choose not to have children. A very positive thing.


3 posted on 07/31/2007 7:34:10 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: JamesP81

“I can think of a thing or two...”

If countries would stop aborting their children, that’d be a start. Hell, that’d likely take care of the problem altogether.


4 posted on 07/31/2007 7:36:13 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp
If countries would stop aborting their children, that’d be a start. Hell, that’d likely take care of the problem altogether.

How rampant is abortion in Europe, Russia and Japan compared to the USA ?

I heard that we have an average of one million abortions a year. Is Europe's rate comparable ?
5 posted on 07/31/2007 7:38:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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Just another hot button issue changing with time just as before the current “global warming” hype there was global cooling hype. Looks like the “over-population” hype is changing into “falling” population.


6 posted on 07/31/2007 7:42:40 AM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: MrB

“liberals” are either homosexuals or choose not to have children. A very positive thing.”

This conservative chose not to have children. I guess that proves your asinine theory wrong.


7 posted on 07/31/2007 7:45:53 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: SirLinksalot

PFF


8 posted on 07/31/2007 7:46:00 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Advanced societies tend to flatten out their population curves. If their pensions were set up to be fully funded and actuarially sound, it doesn’t matter. Probably a good thing, in fact.


9 posted on 07/31/2007 7:50:43 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: taxed2death

kind of a hostile a-hole, aren’t you?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831
“Simply put, liberals have a big baby problem: They’re not having enough of them, they haven’t for a long time, and their pool of potential new voters is suffering as a result. According to the 2004 General Social Survey, if you picked 100 unrelated politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between them, 147 children. If you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids. That’s a “fertility gap” of 41%. Given that about 80% of people with an identifiable party preference grow up to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections. Over the past 30 years this gap has not been below 20%—explaining, to a large extent, the current ineffectiveness of liberal youth voter campaigns today.”


10 posted on 07/31/2007 7:53:21 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Yup... me (hostile a-hole) and my a-hole wife figure we’d adopt a child from some hell hole and try to turn a bad situation into something good. Is that a liberal position?


11 posted on 07/31/2007 7:57:50 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: SirLinksalot

This “S-shaped” curve has been well understood for some time. It is the logistic law of population growth. I took a differential calculus class in 1980 that breifly studied population models. The 1979 text that I used reported work from 1961 that predicted a maximum human population of 9.86 billion, which is supported by the information in this article, written 46 years later.

For you math geeks, the equation is:

dp/dt = ap-bp^2

and the prediction cited uses a vital coefficient of a = 0.029. Data was available in 1961 that showed dp/dt = 2% when p=(3.06)10^9...resulting in b=(2.941)10^(-12). Ultimately a/b = 9.86 billion people, the maximum point. At present, we are past the inflection point of a/2b = 4.93 billion people.

For non-math geeks:

Anyone trying to pass off exponential growth as a model for population growth is either a scare-monger or is an unreliable source.


12 posted on 07/31/2007 7:59:15 AM PDT by kidd
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To: taxed2death

I commend you on your adoption - I’ve always said, it’s more important to pass on your values than your genes.

We plan on doing the same after our kids get a bit older.


13 posted on 07/31/2007 8:05:43 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: JamesP81

I read somewhere kids are encouraged to copulate at summer camp for the need to repopulate...?


14 posted on 07/31/2007 8:06:23 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: SirLinksalot

“How rampant is abortion in Europe, Russia and Japan compared to the USA ? “

I don’t know about Japan, but some part of Europe actually have lower abortion rates. Its illegal in Ireland, legal but hard to get in Germany and Italy. I was surprised to find out just how restrictive abortion is in some parts of western Europe.

Abortion is rampant in Russia, though. More Russian women abort (and do it more often) at rates far higher than any other “white” country.


15 posted on 07/31/2007 8:10:38 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Froufrou

no, kids are encouraged to have sex but they are also encouraged into birth control, abortion and “alternative lifestyles”


16 posted on 07/31/2007 8:11:14 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: kidd
I am more concerned about population growth in the US caused by mass migration. The US annual population growth rate, .89%, is among the highest in the developed world and three-quarters comes from immigration, legal and illegal. Based on Census projections, we will add 62 million people in the next 23 years [the equivalent of the current population of the UK] and by 2050 have a population of 420 million. We have added 100 million since 1970. Is that what we want?
17 posted on 07/31/2007 8:14:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MrB

I was inspired by my older brother...who met a young lady who was never married and had two beautiful children. She obviously made some very bad decisions in her teen years and put herself behind the eight ball. My brother met her...fell in love bla, bla, bla...and her two kids saw him as their father figure... he kept them on the straight and narrow. The boy got straight A’s throughout school and got a scholarship to Fairfield Prep in CT. The young girl did the same and just got a scholarship to a great college in New Hampshire.

All it takes are two parents that care. Those kids look up to him as their hero.

Worldwide, there are plenty of children to go around.... but unfortunately too damned few responsible parents.

just my opinion..

soap opera / rant over


18 posted on 07/31/2007 8:16:12 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: MrB
kind of a hostile a-hole, aren’t you?

No, that would be me.

Do try to keep that straight.

19 posted on 07/31/2007 8:18:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
Hot button 'issue'.....hardly.

Hype?...Not when you consider our nation, alone, has managed to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to the murder of 50 million of its potential citizens....

Not hype at all.

20 posted on 07/31/2007 8:25:59 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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