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To: GodGunsGuts

It just means that the “older fossils” may not be so old.
If one time line of mangrove evolution is shown to be
not consistent with what is currently believed, the
idea of dating a particular stratum can be thrown up for
grabs...
what would actually be enlightening, would be to carbon date
the mangroves, and C14 date the coal. The explanations for
the differences in their C14 dates, or the explanations for
the reason for their C14 dates being the same would be an
interesting lession in what assumptions are used to arrive
at a conclusion.


225 posted on 07/30/2007 8:51:50 PM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: Getready
It just means that the “older fossils” may not be so old. If one time line of mangrove evolution is shown to be not consistent with what is currently believed, the idea of dating a particular stratum can be thrown up for grabs...

what would actually be enlightening, would be to carbon date the mangroves, and C14 date the coal. The explanations for the differences in their C14 dates, or the explanations for the reason for their C14 dates being the same would be an interesting lession in what assumptions are used to arrive at a conclusion.

What would be interesting is for you to learn something about radiocarbon dating.

That method goes back only some 50,000 years. It is not used to date many-million-year-old fossils! (Other forms of radiometric dating are used for that.)

You have blown your whole argument, and your credibility, by making a mistake which would have been avoided by an astute high school science student.

This is why scientists generally pay little attention to creationists: they are willing to make grand pronouncements on science, and to lecture experienced and accomplished scientists, without even learning the basics.

If you have made a simple mistake, please let me know. That can sometimes happen -- we all make mistakes from time to time. I have done a lot of radiocarbon dating, and would be glad to help you understand more about the technique.

But if you were truly as ignorant of radiometric dating as your post suggests, I recommend that you devote some years to study before pontificating on the subject again.

To get you started, here are some good links:


ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.

Radiocarbon -- full text of issues, 1959-2003.

232 posted on 07/30/2007 9:15:18 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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