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U.S. announces major Middle East arms package [not a give-away]
Reuters ^ | Sue Pleming and Andy Sullivan

Posted on 07/30/2007 9:35:27 AM PDT by 300magnum

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To: billbears

OK, I get it now, thanks the MSM is so manipulative, I must really just hate Bush.


61 posted on 07/30/2007 1:20:17 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: RC2
The Saudi’s use the F-16’s to bolster their image. They can hardle fly the dam things.

Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates currently fly F-16's of varying sophistication in the mid-east. Perhaps you meant the F-15 Eagle....

62 posted on 07/30/2007 1:23:11 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: MNJohnnie

If the U.S. has interests at risk, we should aggressively protect them with our military. I’m not advocating an isolationist policy.

Paying Saudi Arabia to do it for us is just a waste of cash. At no time has SA shown a willingness to stand up militarily to any tyrant in the Middle East, and the extremists in their midst will keep it from happening.

We’ve been pumping cash into the ME for decades. What did any of the recipients due when the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan?

What did they do when Al Qaeda set up shop in Afghanistan?

What did they do when Iraq invaded Kuwait?

What did they do when Iraq continually violated international resolutions?

What have they done since Iran has pushed full steam ahead with a nuclear program?

What have they done to eliminate the terrorists in their own midst?

Why do you expect the outcome to be any different after this payoff?


63 posted on 07/30/2007 2:17:48 PM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Plains Drifter

At some level I can handle the misappropriation, government by definition is incompetent.

What really gets me is when those that ship the money off overseas start complaining about the lack of funding for what they call their highest priorities.

I’ve come to realize a simple fact about Federal and State governments. They never have to raise money to pay for a top priority issue. NEVER. They just say the funding doesn’t exist for education, healthcare, senior citizens, etc. because they know that no sane voter would ever want their tax dollars to be spent on the garbage it goes to.

It’s not that the funding doesn’t exist for all the most talked about issues. It’s just that politicians don’t have the stomach to fully fund those efforts before giving any funds to lower priority items like foreign aid.


64 posted on 07/30/2007 2:25:32 PM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: CJ Wolf; billbears
Are you against 30 billions dollars going to Israel? If so then there is no need for further discussions with you on this subejct.

Again we started this thread by gullible people knee jerking and believing a Reuters report that Saudi Arabia is getting 20 billions dollars in free military aid when in reality Saudi Arabia is paying for the 20 billion dollars.

65 posted on 07/30/2007 2:38:00 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas
Are you against 30 billions dollars going to Israel? If so then there is no need for further discussions with you on this subejct.

I'm against any foreign aid going anywhere. That includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, Thailand, Russia, and one day (if we ever shut down NASA and let free enterprise do its job) Mars. If Israel were allowed to free themselves from the limits the US sets on them they would clean freaking house. They have the strongest military in the region and frankly, looking at US fun days in Iraq, I'm not sure I'd want the US to go up against them (even if God's protection weren't on them, which it is)

Besides as a Christian I know full well God's going to protect that land from any and all comers. What is it with those who supposedly believe in 'limited government'. There are certain (forgive the term) sacred cows you can't touch. Exactly how are we supposed to return to a limited government within its bounds if everyone has a subject they want funded? Answer we're not.

66 posted on 07/30/2007 3:49:50 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: jveritas

“Are you against 30 billions dollars going to Israel?”

We spent 30 billion in the first 9 months of the Iraq war. We won it hands down and had Saddam captured. Thanks for proving my point.


67 posted on 07/30/2007 4:05:00 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: billbears

I read your postings on foreign aid and the $30 billion to Israel and the foreign aid to other countries and I totally agree with you. As an American taxpayer and a Viet Nam era veteran I’m sick and tired of our money going outside our borders to other countrys when we have critical needs here in America. Some people seem to think it’s wrong to put other countrys first but I’m for putting America first. Giving and spending in this country is out of control. Not one dime should go out of this country until the needs of our military are met, our seniors are met, and our WORKING taxpaying American citizens are met.

“America first”


68 posted on 07/30/2007 4:27:53 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: jveritas
The article is unclear on the numbers. As I understand it the numbers are about $20 billion to the Saudis, which may or may not include $3 billion or so to the other gulf states, that all paid for. $13 billion to Egypt, which appears to be funded by aid, and an increase of about 7 $7 or $8 billion to Israel, which will be funded by aid.

About $45 billion, of which about $20 billion will be paid for by American taxpayers.

Given the relative instability of the regiemes we're selling to, and the fact that Egypt, without regional enemies trains for a ground attack on Israel, air assets to be supplimented by the Saudis and other Gulf states, this does little more than add to the instability in the region.

An Iran-Saudi struggle, unlikely as it proceeds through Iraq, will be decided by American forces. As was the Iraq-Kuwait-Saudi struggle.

69 posted on 07/30/2007 7:34:44 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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70 posted on 07/30/2007 7:44:01 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson

Neither Egypt nor the Gulf states will use their Air Force against Israel. Even Israel declared today that they are OK with the arms sales to Saudi Arabia as I indicated in post # 40 on this thread.


71 posted on 07/30/2007 7:59:04 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas
Common sense says you're right about an attack. The Israeli support, problematical. Perhaps Ohlmert supports it, perhaps his support is for the increase in aid to Israel, that's not completely clear.

IMO, the whole thing should be scrapped

72 posted on 07/30/2007 9:18:47 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; AmericanHunter; ..
"...military aid packages worth more than $43 billion for Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states..."




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73 posted on 07/31/2007 10:04:46 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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