There has been a lot talk about the LDS on the News/Activism forum for several months now, so you are invited to come and investigate & listening for yourselves!
Mitt Romney on the Christian Broadcasting Network’s 700 Club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBqnZ7SLn4&NR=1
j/k
My bad! ;-)
I’m sorry, but any church, business or organization which uses the bogus, made-up and completely ungrammatical term “meetinghouses” is trying way too hard to be “trendy” and must be approached with that in mind.
I am a center-right Pagan. i go to Pagan festivals with witch’s,Druids etc. (you would be surprised at all of the right leaning Pagans I meet). I respect Mormons, Christians and all other religions except Islam. I believe all religions are linked together. I respect Christianity including the Mormons. Although, I sometimes chide conservative Christians for not remembering that not all of us are of their faith I sincerely respect them. They are the religion of the common people in this country and anyone can see that there values have been a good thing for this country.
What jumps out at me is there is absolutely no mention of the Bible.
First of all, I suggest a quick trip to this YouTube link to listen to an interesting talk by a mormon at:
If you are a Mormon, please realize that CARM is not trying to attack you, your character, or the sincerity of your belief. If you are a non-Mormon looking into Mormonism, or if you are a Christian who is simply researching Mormonism, then this paper should be of help to you.
The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.
Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1;16-17).
Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is god in flesh, it teaches that he is “a” god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5). See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity is.
Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, the Mormon is not Christian — in spite of all his claims that he is.
The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has eternally been God (Psalm 90:2) — which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected.
The Bible tells us that Jesus The Jesus of Mormonism is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus, is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn’t exist.
Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness.
Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, “The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil,” (Articles, p. 432), and “Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience,” (Articles, p. 81). This contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).
To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold. It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teaches it is by faith alone. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.
This means that when the Bible contradicts Mormonism, the Bible isn’t trustworthy.
The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith allegedly corrected the Bible in what is called The Inspired Version, though it is not used by the LDS church.
Though they claim they trust the Bible, in reality they do not. They use Mormon presuppositions to interpret it instead of letting it speak for itself. For example, where the Bible says there are no other gods in the universe (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), they interpret it to mean “no other gods of this world” - which is not what those verses say. They do not trust the Bible and they often state that the Bible is not translated correctly.
CARM does not deny that Mormons are good people, that they worship “a” god, that they share common words with Christians, that they help their people, and that they do many good things.
But that isn’t what makes someone Christian. Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23, “ Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (NKJV).
Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a church, doing good things, or simply believing in God. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus — not the brother of the devil, not the god of Mormonism, not the gospel of Mormonism. Mormonism is false and cannot save anyone. Return to Mormonism
CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS AND RESEARCH MINISTRY
Copyright Matthew J. Slick, 1996 - 2006
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So is it okay to proselytize Mormonism or any other religion on FR?
Appropriate dress? What if I were a homeless visitor would I be asked to leave?
The real question I have and have never understood is the assignment of ‘wards’.
Why as an LDS do I have to go to a ‘wad’ as assigned, why can’t I go where I want?
The reason I ask is because my uncle/aunt went to a ‘ward’ for about twenty years they moved a couple of miles away and were told they HAD to go to the closest ‘ward’ as opposed to where their long time friends were.
Do you know why this is?
I agree with you resty. I think anyone who is thinking of voting for Mitt should investigate Mormonism NOW!
Starting with a typical Sunday 3 HOUR block of meetings would be a good place.
i thought LDS met on saturdays - oh, my bad !!!
I am amazed and appalled that Free Republic can be used in this manner as a proselyting opportunity for one religious sect.
Why is this allowed on the “News Activism” threads and not in the Religion Forum where it seems to belong?
If this is the way FreeRepublic wants to represent themselves then I suppose it is up to Jim Robinson. To me, the use of the News forum as a way to “missionary,” is totally inappropriate.
I personally want to hear a rousing rendition of the hymn:
If You Could Hie to KOLOB
If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward with the speed of light to fly**,
D’ye think that you could ever, through all eternity,
Find out the generation where Gods began to be?
Or see the grand beginning, where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers, “No man has found ‘pure space’,”
Nor seen the outside curtains, where nothing has a place.
The works of God continue, and worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter; there is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit; there is no end to race.
http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-hi.htm
My neighbor is LDS and his college age son has passed on his mission time. Can he do his mission work later or is it only possible at one age?
Hey, you forgot to mention the part where you guys spread the lies of Joseph Smith!
Can every 'mormon' attend Temple ceremonies?
what is the difference between LDS and Jehovah's Witness?
I would go, but my Sundays are eaten up with the sacraments of loafing, beer, and fine premium cigars.
Much ado here about...what?
All the original poster did was invite you to check out his church for yourselves.
I’m a Catholic and I’d do the same thing.