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Range Fuels building the Nation's First Commercial Cellulosic Ethanol Plant
AutoBlogGreen ^ | 7/5/2007 | Shane Addie

Posted on 07/28/2007 7:45:52 PM PDT by P-40

Cellulosic ethanol is the next step in making a definitive replacement for foreign oil. The reality is becoming ever closer, now in large part due to Range Fuels. The State of Georgia has just awarded them a permit to build the first plant to employ their patented technology to produce 100 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol per year.

Part of the apparent brilliance to the K2 process, as it is called, is that it is a modular design, meaning the processing equipment can be scaled to the need and location, and doesn't necessarily require a monstrous factory. Theoretically, a biomass supplier could cut transportation expenses by sending their material directly into an on-site processor, making the whole thing much more efficient. The K2 process eliminates expensive enzymes by using a two-step thermo-chemical conversion, first converting the biomass into a synthesis gas, and then processing the gas into ethanol.

This new technology and first of many plants employing it is beneficial for two main reasons. We've already covered the lessened dependency on foreign oil. It also means that with the alleged simplicity and adaptability of this processing method, we could see a boom in the number of ethanol plants across the country, thereby producing much more supply of ethanol, lessening demand, and lowering the price to something far more competitive to gasoline. That would then make the decreased efficiency of ethanol-burning engines more tolerable. Of course, as that technology advances as well, fuel efficiency could soon be on par with its oil-based competition.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: agw; cellulosic; energy; ethanol
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To: Clam Digger
Great, another process that uses more energy that it makes

Great, another judgment based on pure emotion...
21 posted on 07/28/2007 9:10:49 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

Am I wrong? Show me how.


22 posted on 07/28/2007 9:13:15 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Clam Digger
Am I wrong? Show me how.

Show us how you are right.
23 posted on 07/28/2007 9:14:36 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

Emotion?

http://feinstein.senate.gov/05speeches/ethanol-oped.htm

it takes the equivalent of 1.29 gallons of gasoline to produce enough ethanol to replace one gallon of gasoline at the pump.


24 posted on 07/28/2007 9:19:08 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Clam Digger

Uh, let me look for a better source. UGH!


25 posted on 07/28/2007 9:19:34 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: P-40

What’s it mean — How much is this costing the US taxpayer? You got to believe that if venture firms are investing the subsidies or tax write-offs have got to be good. Wonder how the costs get calculated? With or without subsidies?

One can’t help but wonder wouldn’t US drilling be cheaper? The CO2 is the same.


26 posted on 07/28/2007 9:20:40 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: P-40

I might listen to cellulosic butanol, but ethanol? Bah!


27 posted on 07/28/2007 9:22:08 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Tarpon
One can’t help but wonder wouldn’t US drilling be cheaper?

Hell yeah it would be cheaper, without having a serious effect on our foud sources. We just need to get rid of all the environMENTALists to do it.

28 posted on 07/28/2007 9:30:27 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Clam Digger

I’d agree with you there. Her statement doesn’t even make any sense. She has about as much credibility as Pimentel when it comes to ethanol. For cellulosic ethanol production, there is not going to be much out there in the public domain yet.


29 posted on 07/28/2007 9:31:50 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: stboz
I might listen to cellulosic butanol, but ethanol? Bah!

DuPont is supposed to start on butanol this summer...but I have not had time to see if they have or not. Much better product by far.
30 posted on 07/28/2007 9:32:56 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

Uh oh, looks like I may be eating my words, and going off of outdated info. Damn, is it too late to invest in corn futures, so i can at least have money while we starve?


31 posted on 07/28/2007 9:36:58 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Tarpon
One can’t help but wonder wouldn’t US drilling be cheaper? The CO2 is the same.

True, but if you use plant matter you in part sequester the CO2 you later release. With oil you don't because the CO2 was sequestered eons ago.

I am sure it would be cheaper to drill...but getting permission to do so would be next to impossible in today's environment. And I am sure that this facility will be allowed a very generous accelerated depreciation schedule and production credits once in operation...so as long as they can deliver the goods they stand to make some money. Given that this will be one of the first of its kind...I would not bet the farm on it though.
32 posted on 07/28/2007 9:41:19 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Clam Digger
Damn, is it too late to invest in corn futures

It's never too late and corn flakes aren't all that good anyway. :)

If this new technology works, then corn is going to get cheap because we will have too much again...or maybe not. It will be just one more way of making the same product so corn will compete with biomass which will compete with switch grass...
33 posted on 07/28/2007 9:45:18 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

If it’s waste, or otherwise useless biomass, no biggie, but I hate the idea of croplands used for fuel. It’s already played heck to a degree with food prices.

DRILL THE USA!


34 posted on 07/28/2007 9:47:38 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Pontiac
BTUin > BTUout...especially if you include the BTUs to collect and transport the waste materials in your control volume. You just cannot economically carry waste materials very far.
35 posted on 07/28/2007 9:47:57 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: P-40

Ah the need for the old permission slip, and who would we need that from? Why the same people who are trying to destroy capitalism now, enviro-whackos. Odd don’t you think?

I don’t buy the CO2 argument, the vast amounts of land needed to grow the fuel feed stock is too great and if you calculate the forest area lost you aren’t gaining on the problem. We are talking areas the size of large states need to be put into cultivation of fuel crops. You don’t think the enviro-whackos are not going to complain about that?

Now if we switched all electrical generation, save for a few peaking units, to nuclear like France has done, then you have a positive gain. The fact we don’t hear everyone clamoring to do this tells you a lot about motives.

I say skip the subsidies and tax breaks, they pervert the market. If the costs are there then the switch will come because of market forces. The original fuel for cars was ethanol, and for diesels peanut oil. So biofuels are old friends.

Let the market decide, with no fingers on the scales.


36 posted on 07/28/2007 9:53:06 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Tarpon
the vast amounts of land needed to grow the fuel feed stock

The article is about a totally different way of getting the feedstock for ethanol, or butanol for that matter. There is not much to the CO2 argument though. With biofuels it is a 'sequester and release' method but with hydrocarbons it is just release. I don't lose any sleep over either one though.

The government could give the green light to drill if they had the courage. They are actually doing some seismic work now in a few areas. The last time that happened to any large degree I was very young.
37 posted on 07/28/2007 9:58:59 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Clam Digger
but I hate the idea of croplands used for fuel.

I don't much care for it either...unless it keeps away another housing project or strip mall. :)
38 posted on 07/28/2007 9:59:59 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
If you want to use cellulose waste as fuel it has been mixed with coal and used to power boilers to generate electricity for years.

But when you burn cellulose with coal you do not need to add heat to gasify it and you do not have to add heat to turn it in to ethanol.

39 posted on 07/28/2007 10:05:26 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: P-40
"This new plant will be funded by Vinod Khosla"

I believe Khosla ("Cole Slaw"?) is also a major backer of Verenium which is taking the enzyme approach and opening a cellulosic plant in Louisiana of similar size.

40 posted on 07/28/2007 10:06:55 PM PDT by cookcounty (Famous Quotes: "I have not yet begun to fight!! ...and I'm so terribly exhausted!" --Capt Harry Reid)
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