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Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh
Democratic political consultant Mark Mellman has a very good piece up today at The Hill on the baffling and illegitimate opposition among voters to Mitt Romney due to his religion. I liked his closing paragraphs:
In July of 1958, 24 percent of respondents told Gallup they would not vote for a Catholic for president, almost identical to Gallup’s reading on Mormons today. Two years later, John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic to assume the oath of office. Within eight months, the number refusing to vote for a Catholic was cut almost in half.
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Mellman also discusses an interesting poll he helped construct, in which the pollsters asked half of their respondents whether they would support a candidate with certain characteristics, and asked the other half about another candidate with the exact same characteristics, with one difference. The first candidate was Baptist, the second candidate was Mormon. The Baptist had a huge advantage over the Mormon candidate, by about 20 points.
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However, more recent polls have attempted to fix the anonymity problem. A recent Time Magazine poll (read the original report here), for example, got to the heart of the question by asking respondents if they are less likely to vote for Mitt Romney specifically because he is a Mormon. The result is not as bad as some reporting on the poll has suggested. For example, while 30% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for Romney because of his religion, fully 15% of other Republicans say that characteristic makes them more likely to vote for him. And while many have reported the finding that 23% of Republicans are “worried” by Romney’s Mormonism, the more important (but less-reported) number is that 73% say they hold no such reservations...
(Excerpt) Read more at romneyexperience.com ...
Will Romney's religion make him unelectable? I'm optimistic that it won't; but many here disagree with me. Let's talk about it. This article is remarkably even-handed, and has points in it that both sides of the position will like.
We've spent plenty of time discussing the "kookiness" of Mormonism. I hope we can stay within the realm of political commentary. If the thread veers into religious bashing, I will immediately request that it be moved to the Religion forum.
Ping.
We’ve had disagreements in the past on this topic. I thought you might be interested.
I wonder if it is politically correct to not vote for a Mormon but not politically correct to not vote for a Black. I have not seen any polls about not voting for Blacks. Seen a few on the Mormon issue. Me, I’m just interested in what the candidate stands for.
He passes my “Will he saw my head off” litmus test with flying colors.
Do you happen to have a link to the Hill article?
I will not vote for a religion that taught, as straight from God, that men live on the moon and dressed like Quakers, and that Jesus, Satan, and me and YOU are brothers...LITERALLY
An attempt to shame people into voting for you may not be the best strategy.
As a born-again Christian, I would not vote for Romney because I don’t want to legitimize his false religion. I truly don’t say that to offend anyone - it’s just the way I feel.
I believe that Mormonism leads people to turn away from the truth, and consequently, from God. If he were elected President, it would give a certain amount of legitimacy to Mormonism, and I believe that would be unacceptable to God. If the election were between someone like Hillary or Romney, I would vote for a third party for the first time in my life.
Nonsense.
Moonmen? Really. So, to you, heresay is acceptable proof?
Where in Latter-day Scripture is such a ridiculous idea taught? Which Mormon prophet gave such a revelation? All you have is a claim made by someone, decades later of a conversation he claimed he heard, but which turned out to be an entirely different person altogether.
As for your latter biased statement; I suggest you find out what being Genos of God means and who the bene ha elohim are before you spout your bigotry against us Mormons for all to see.
tant,
thanks for the ping. Time will tell. My concern is that
we need EVERY vote we can get to win POTUS in 2008. If we
start by even giving away 5%, I don’t see us winning.
The best thing a romney candidacy would have going for
it is a run against hillary. But will evangelicals walk
the streets for a mormon? give? make calls? Some certainly.
Others, I think not so much.
Time will tell. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
ampu
“As a born-again Christian, I would not vote for Romney because I don’t want to legitimize his false religion. I truly don’t say that to offend anyone - it’s just the way I feel.
I believe that Mormonism leads people to turn away from the truth, and consequently, from God. If he were elected President, it would give a certain amount of legitimacy to Mormonism, and I believe that would be unacceptable to God. If the election were between someone like Hillary or Romney, I would vote for a third party for the first time in my life.”
What you said.
I will go fishing.
ampu
“According to Oliver B. Huntington, Joseph Smith taught that “The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the earth, being about 6 feet in height.
“They dress very much like the Quaker style and are quite general in style, or fashion of dress.
“They live to be very old; coming generally, near a thousand years.
“This is the description of them as given by Joseph the seer, and he could `See’ whatever he asked the father in the name of Jesus to see,” (Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, Vol. 3, p. 166; as recorded at the Utah State Historical Society).
Oliver B. Huntington wrote the proceeding statement in 1881. In 1892 “
I believe one of your other prophets said people live on
the sun... nutcases.
“Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain,” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271).
The problem with Romney is that one doesn’t know what he stands for. He “stands for” what is politically expedient for him at the time. He’s the quintessential politician - and that’s not a good thing.
That’s really too bad that you would help Hillary Clinton be elected. That is just way too bad, I’m sorry to see you don’t comprehend the evil of Hillary Clinton, as a Christian, you really should be a little more aware.
I just finished a book about the history of the westward migration. Mormons, of course, played a significant role. They helped clear trails for future wagon trains. They wrote books advising people about the best routes West. Salt Lake City became a halfway stopping point for migrants on the Oregon and California trails where they could get medical help and provisions. Four Mormon brothers volunteered to go to the rescue of the starving Donner Party. To top it off, Mormons have a magnificent choir that has been a wonderful ambassador for the U.S.
Mormons have been good Americans and good Republicans. I wouldn’t hesitate to vote for one for president.
In my estimation, voting for either of them would be equally “evil”. They, neither one, stand for Christian values.
Romney promotes a religion that leads people to Hell. The implications of that are much more far-reaching than any temporal concerns.
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