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Pope: Creation vs. evolution clash an ‘absurdity’
MSNBC ^ | 7/24/2007

Posted on 07/25/2007 12:57:22 PM PDT by mngran

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To: Coyoteman

“THE EARTH GETS ENERGY FROM THE SUN! (Duh!)”

I don’t have as much confidence in the sun as you. The sun is burning out. The sun is another great example of the Second Law in action. The sun, and the universe for that matter, can’t sustain itself let alone increase in complexity over an extended period of time. And you’re trying to tell me that man randomly organized from lifeless matter? Did your momma beat you with a dumbstick?


201 posted on 07/26/2007 5:33:32 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: Resolute Conservative
Either the whole Bible is to be taken literally or none of it is.

In the primary sense. But sometimes people are speaking figuratively, like when Jesus speaks of "moving mountains," etc. It seems doubtful that the writer of Genesis was trying to present a modern, scientific account of the origins of the cosmos. And remember that "taking the Bible literally" cuts both ways.

John 6

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.


202 posted on 07/26/2007 5:36:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: editor-surveyor

In you view will anyone, other than yourself, be in what you consider heaven?


203 posted on 07/26/2007 5:38:24 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: RFC_Gal

Good morning RFC_Gal!

Everything in the universe is winding down. The universe itself is burning out, the sun is burning out. Things wear out over time. Everyone can plainly see the second law (uncapped) in action. Then you come along and say to me that man is a result of a random shuffling of matter in an almost infinite increasing fashion. The mathematical odds of that happening are as close to zero as you’ll get.

Do you understand where I’m coming from?


204 posted on 07/26/2007 5:42:34 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: mngran
he said my church wasn't "real"

The Church has constantly taught that non-Catholics exist in varying degrees of imperfect union with Christ's Church. Catholics regard all validly baptized people as members of the Body of Christ.

Why?

Matthew 28:18-20

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Non-Catholic Christians who reject Apostolic Tradition, fail to obey, to varying degrees, the teachings that Jesus commanded the Apostles to pass on.

The pope simply reiterated the constant teaching of the Church.

205 posted on 07/26/2007 5:44:13 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Natural Law
You need to read what he actually said before launching into some indignant, anti-Catholic huff. The Pope said that if evolution exists it is a creation of God. Makes sense to me. He further said that if you contaminate and pollute your environment don’t expect God to clean up after you..... advice I received from my Mom and kindergarten teacher.

I believe he said to listen to the "voice of the earth". That's some pretty wierd stuff.

206 posted on 07/26/2007 5:47:56 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: Weeedley

The final step will be when he associates the “voice of the earth” with Mary.


207 posted on 07/26/2007 5:48:27 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: newgeezer
he defined Scripture for all us common, fallible, unwashed, unholy laypeople.

Unlike, I suppose, the people here who provide their infallible interpretation of Scripture on a daily basis.

In fact, the Church has made very few dogmatic pronouncements regarding the interpretation of Scripture, but the Church does provide the context (Tradition) within which Scripture can be validly interpreted.

208 posted on 07/26/2007 5:49:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: presently no screen name

Why does a “never changing” book have so many versions and interpretations?


209 posted on 07/26/2007 5:50:01 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: Greg F
Augustine supposedly postulated that God put in place processes that led to the existence of all the animals, not the animals themselves. Not out of the bounds of Christian thinking, imo. That said, natural selection, Darwinism, as the driver of evolution itself is weakly supported. It’s just an assertion when you come to the big changes in creatures, not at all proven that dogs become horses, or rodents elephants, or however they claim it happens. The “missing links” are still missing and the structures in bodies seem too complex to be randomly generated, they require tens of inter-related structures to operate at all and all would have to develop at once to have a positive impact on survival. Scientists are missing too many pieces of the puzzle to worry much about it theologically, imo.

Worth repeating.

210 posted on 07/26/2007 5:51:33 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: ROTB
Evolution: Natural chance processes can account for the existence of all things.

The term "evolution" can also mean "directed evolution" or "theistic evolution." "Evolution" doesn't necessarily mean "atheistic evolution." The Church clearly rejects materialistic evolution.

It's also logically possible, and probable, that the writer of Genesis meant his description of Creation to be allegorical.

211 posted on 07/26/2007 5:58:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Weeedley
The Catholic Church has a tradition of giving mere lip service to the Bible, and not getting their medieval superstitions and traditions get in the way of a good book.

You may not be aware of it, but you provide Catholics with much amusement.

212 posted on 07/26/2007 6:01:12 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: presently no screen name
Really - what is the voice of the earth?

Oh for crying out loud. It's like saying we should "listen to the voice of Mother Nature." It's a simple truism, poetically stated.

213 posted on 07/26/2007 6:04:12 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: edweena
He doesn’t seem to have a clue as to how he comes across to non-scholars and non-theologians.

The problem really lies with the way the media distorts his statements. Reportage usually has little to do with his actual statements, which are usually fairly simple and direct. It's hard to impute good intentions to the media.

Remember the guy who wrote "Hitler's Pope"? He's since retracted the thesis of his book, but do you remember his mea culpa receiving any coverage in the press?

214 posted on 07/26/2007 6:08:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: atlaw
Job 12:7-8

But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee

Ruh roh.

(Great find)

215 posted on 07/26/2007 6:11:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: mngran

I believe that God is the creator and God’s time is very different than earthly time. Therefore, I believe creationism and evolutioned can happen at the same time.


216 posted on 07/26/2007 6:19:28 AM PDT by tob2
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To: romanesq

Yeah that’s exactly what I am saying. There are billions upon billions of stars with planets through the extant of the universe. These planets harbor an uncountable number of civilizations that put ours to shame.

It is only the hubris and self absolution of our flawed natures that make some of us think otherwise.


217 posted on 07/26/2007 6:21:14 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: presently no screen name
And God made a donkey talk! Do you truly understand what you posted?

Of course not. And the Pope is a Biblical ignoramus as well. Only you, who sitteth upon the right hand of God, truly understand scripture. And it sayeth what you say it sayeth, and sayeth not what you say it sayeth not, even when it doesn't.

You're a pontificating fraud.

218 posted on 07/26/2007 6:24:39 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: Aquinasfan
Catholics have needed something to amuse themselves lately as $2 billions have been dissipated as a result of numerous moral dissipations.
219 posted on 07/26/2007 6:28:46 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: RFC_Gal

“Why does a “never changing” book have so many versions and interpretations?”

That is the unfortunate result of numerous self appointed religious busybodies.


220 posted on 07/26/2007 6:33:55 AM PDT by Weeedley
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