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Thompson picks Abraham
View from the Right ^ | July 24, 2007 | Lawrence Auster

Posted on 07/25/2007 2:45:18 AM PDT by ari-freedom

You're Fred Thompson. As a former U.S. senator you had a pleasant and lucrative career acting in a tv show. Then an opening unexpectedly appeared in the contest for the GOP nomination, because there were no candidates acceptable to conservatives. The most important issue to conservatives was immigration. You made a few general statements indicating a readiness to enforce our country's immigration laws and guard its borders. These comments immediately translated into significant popular support and turned you into a viable prospect for the Republican nomination, even though you had not formally declared your candidacy. Then you appointed as your campaign manager former U.S. senator Spencer Abraham from Michigan. Abraham is most famous as an arrogant open-borders fanatic in his work as chairman of the Senate immigration sub-committee in the late 1990s. He was so bad on immigration that in 2000 Michigan conservatives and Republicans voted for Spencer's challenger, pro-abortion liberal Democrat Debbie Stabenow, in order to drive Spencer from the Senate. Abraham lost his Senate seat because of his commitment to open borders, pure and simple.

Are you not aware that it was your statements on immigration that, mild as they were, gave you a shot at the presidency? ...

(Excerpt) Read more at amnation.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: elections; fredthompson; spencerabraham
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To: Aetius

Again, what makes you think he is controlling Thompson’s border policy!?


81 posted on 07/25/2007 5:55:57 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
It take quite an opposite viewpoint, with all due respect.

Au contraire, you precisely know the flow and nature of a candidate's would-be Administration by the senior advisory powers he surrounds himself with, in the early days--the tit-for-tat is that most of them are promised, or their select friends and associates, positions of influential administrative power if the team is successful. This is a cold, undisputed organizational reality which I did not know in my 20s when voting and supporting certain candidates for President, foolishly seduced by their cleverly crafted, focus-group sculpted stump speeches only.

Come on. Let's move past that, OK?

Analysis of organizational structure and backgrounds of the "players* is one of the few windows we have as to what is to come, IMHO. The rest is taken on sheer faith. Verily, the rest is all just campaign rhetoric which has about as much effect on me these days as party platforms--which together with $3.50, can buy you a coffee at Starbucks.

The Abraham selection is rather troubling.

82 posted on 07/25/2007 6:07:54 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Let's shitcan, once and for all, this "compassionate conservativism" nonsense in 2008!)
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To: ejonesie22

So Fred supports an Amnesty.


83 posted on 07/25/2007 6:16:05 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: CheyennePress
There are other candidates interested in closing the border..."

I think when the elections get a lot closer than 16 months, all of the scumbags candidates will be interested in closing the border.

84 posted on 07/25/2007 6:49:10 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: rmlew

I think he will support the best possible solution to a bad situation. If in the end that is full amnesty, again, the that maybe it. But before you go running off talking about Hunter or Paul or whomever, they to, in the end will have to do something along those lines. There is not the will, time or treasure to round up 12 million souls and ship them back. It just won’t happen.


85 posted on 07/25/2007 6:57:25 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Fred Thompson has cooties, neener neener neener...)
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To: ejonesie22

What about Employer sanctions after a short period of delayed action?


86 posted on 07/25/2007 7:08:06 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: NavyCanDo; goldstategop; ari-freedom; David Isaac; nicmarlo; joanie-f; processing please hold

Have you read this yet?

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/jihad_fred_fred.html

This is not by ...pro-abortion liberal Democrat Debbie Stabenow,


87 posted on 07/25/2007 9:33:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: B4Ranch

that bothers me a lot more than immigration policy


88 posted on 07/25/2007 9:46:23 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: dennisw
I’ve followed Spencer Abraham for years. He is pathological in his desire for amnesties and open borders. He has always disgusted me

Yes but were told he is a really good organizer...

89 posted on 07/25/2007 10:05:26 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: GladesGuru
What about his actions over the years? Wouldn’t they be more accurately predictive of his acts were he in the Oval office?

Yes, but his time in the Senate was short. His votes on illegal immigration are all over the map. So, he needs to come out and definitively state his position.
90 posted on 07/25/2007 10:27:10 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: ari-freedom
It's not just borders. Fred Thompson's campaign manager open sympathizes with the enemies of the United States. Some savior of conservatism, eh?

- Abraham was one of only two U.S. Senators who refused to sign an October 2000 letter...condemning terrorist acts by Yasser Arafat and the P.L.O.

- Abraham led the nearly successful June 2001 attempt to reverse the use of classified evidence against terrorists, sponsoring the legislation at the behest of Islamist groups, including the American Muslim Association (AMA) and the American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC)...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1871657/posts?q=1&;page=1
91 posted on 07/25/2007 10:29:37 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: rmlew; ejonesie22
So Fred supports an Amnesty.

That's what it sounds like to me, according to ejonesie22's post. Let the invaders stay and ignore the existing laws. That's amnesty.
92 posted on 07/25/2007 10:36:11 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: rmlew

What willthat do as far as handling the 12 million?


93 posted on 07/26/2007 2:43:48 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Fred Thompson has cooties, neener neener neener...)
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To: CottonBall
Were that it was that simple. We started to ignore the laws a long time ago. We wanted to do something about the invasion, we should have done it when it was the first guy over.

Look I don’t like it, I am as conservative as the next guy. But I am also realistic and don’t live in a world where quick slogans answer big problems. Face it, even if (and this kills it already but I’ll play the game) we could logistically get the man power and tools, say that it was all done in a timely fashion, we are talking about the federal government here, and if we could get the press not to try and spin it as bad, you know our press we love so much, we are still left with one big problem. The general public, which right now doesn’t like amnesty because it is all remote in their minds, who are decent enough people, will go nuts the first time images are displayed of federal agents rounding up the illegals. Over night our heroic new boarder guards and INS agents will become jack booted thugs and images of Nazis carrying people off to the concentration camps will be played over and over on TV in front of them. There will be a million Elian Gonzales episodes on national TV.

Then you know what will happen? Yup, that first plane of detainees will turn right around and come back. Worse, and this is the real kicker, that carefully crafted fence will be gone, because every bleeding heart group will be decrying the plight of the other poor in Mexico saying “what about these poor people, prisoners of a corrupt system” and the majority will fall for it, hook line and sinker because that is the way things go.

So it boils down to do you want a fence and 12 million new wage earners we work into the system, or open boarders, 30 million immigrants happily allowed in because we were “so harsh and cruel”

It sucks, but it’s reality.

Lock it down, work ‘em in, and never let it happen again.

94 posted on 07/26/2007 3:09:57 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Fred Thompson has cooties, neener neener neener...)
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To: B4Ranch

bttt


95 posted on 07/26/2007 3:59:48 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ari-freedom

2 weeks ago, the nominationwas his to lose, but very slowly and methodically, he seems to be blowing it.


96 posted on 07/26/2007 4:13:52 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: Old_Mil

>- Abraham was one of only two U.S. Senators who refused to sign an October 2000 letter...condemning terrorist acts by Yasser Arafat and the P.L.O.<

That’s the kind of thing that shows his deep feelings, IMO. What would his reaction have been if he was in the WH when 911 happened?


97 posted on 07/26/2007 7:02:32 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: Homer1

Let’s hope Hunter climbs out of the shadows and takes the lead.


98 posted on 07/26/2007 7:09:11 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: B4Ranch

If we nominate Rudy, we’d have to apologize to Clinton. If we nominate a guy who has this kind of man running his campaign, we’ll have to apologize to Pelosi. That’s a shameful place for American conservatives to be in.

If we nominate someone who articulates a patriotic conservative philosophy clearly, the winning will take care of itself.


99 posted on 07/26/2007 7:16:34 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: B4Ranch
I think you're Off base B$Ranch. A "campaign manager' or "campaign chairman" is not headed for the White House - Fred is.

But I'm concerned about Abraham and will be doing more checking on Thompson's reaction to our stuned reactions here on FR.

100 posted on 07/26/2007 7:36:36 AM PDT by W04Man (I'm Now With Fred)
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