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To: notbackingdown

No, but then again, there’s no excuse for getting drunk enough to lose control of yourself. When a man and a woman have both voluntarily gotten very drunk, and then sober up to discover that things happened between them that they both wish hadn’t, I’m not sure the man should always be saddled with responsibility for the whole mess. And I’m a woman. It just strikes me as treating women as helpless children who can’t be expected to steer clear of trouble.

Of course, I don’t know the particulars of what happened in this case. But there are way too many women — especially young women — who go to parties where they know full well that there will be horny men getting very drunk and losing control, flirt up a storm with those men (often in hopes of some form of personal gain, in this case probably climbing the ladder of Republican politics), get rip roaring drunk themselves, and the next day are hollering “I was raped!” They’re all but begging to be raped. And in some cases the act was really consensual, and the young woman only reclassifies it as rape after she realizes other people have gotten wind of it, and she’s embarrassed because now her pals and would-be pals are calling her “trash”. She decides she’d rather be a “victim” than “trash”.


17 posted on 07/24/2007 9:41:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Of course, I don’t know the particulars of what happened in this case. But there are way too many women — especially young women — who go to parties where they know full well that there will be horny men getting very drunk and losing control, flirt up a storm with those men (often in hopes of some form of personal gain, in this case probably climbing the ladder of Republican politics), get rip roaring drunk themselves, and the next day are hollering “I was raped

The tone of your post is most disturbing. Real men don't rape women whether they're horny, drunk or otherwise. Real men respect women and protect those weaker than them. Males, like this POS, who rape women are weak nancy boys who prey on those who are the most vulnerable because of their own inadequacy to deal with women as men.

I might go to a gang controlled part of town for the experience and I might get killed for doing it. That might make me stupid but it would not make the one who killed me any less of a murderer. Women do not "beg" to be raped and men do not "lose control". Rapists know exactly what they are doing.

This is especially troubling because Republicans, or a least conservatives, espouse respect for women. Many liberals respect nothing as demonstrated by Clinton. A young Republican leader being a rapist is like priests abusing children, it goes completely against what they profess and what we expect. Their is a special place reserved just for them.

18 posted on 07/24/2007 10:38:50 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: GovernmentShrinker
some how, at least for a man or most men, the two concepts of "getting drunk" and "doing something you ought not to" (in that sense), seem somewhat of an oxymoron.
25 posted on 07/25/2007 2:19:58 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Let's shitcan, once and for all, this "compassionate conservativism" nonsense in 2008!)
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