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Alimony Still Required After Ex-wife Enters Domestic (Lesbian) Partnership
SignOnSanDiego.com ^ | July 24, 2007 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 07/24/2007 9:42:07 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

Alimony still required after ex-wife enters domestic partnership

ASSOCIATED PRESS

July 24, 2007

LOS ANGELES – A judge has ordered a man to continue paying alimony to his ex-wife – even though she is in a registered domestic partnership with another woman and uses the other woman's last name.

California marriage laws state alimony ends when a former spouse remarries, and Ron Garber thought that meant he was off the hook when he learned his ex-wife had registered her new relationship under the state's domestic partnership law.

An Orange County judge didn't see it that way.

The judge ruled that a registered partnership is cohabitation, not marriage, and Garber must keep writing the checks, $1,250 a month, to his ex-wife, Melinda Kirkwood. Garber plans to appeal.

The case highlights questions about the legal status of domestic partnerships, an issue the California Supreme Court is weighing as it considers whether same-sex marriage is legal.

An appeals court upheld the state's ban on same-sex marriage last year, citing the state's domestic partners law and ruling that it was up to the Legislature to decide whether gays could wed.

Lawyers arguing in favor of same-sex marriage say they will cite the June ruling in the Orange County case as a reason to unite gay and heterosexual couples under one system: marriage.

In legal briefs due in August to the California Supreme Court, Therese Stewart, chief deputy city attorney for San Francisco, intends to argue that same-sex couples should have access to marriage, and domestic partnership doesn't provide the same reverence and respect as marriage.

The alimony ruling shows “the irrationality of having a separate, unequal scheme” for same-sex partners, Stewart said.

Garber knew his former wife was living with another woman when he agreed to the alimony, but he said he didn't know the two women had registered with the state as domestic partners under a law that was intended to mirror marriage.

“This is not about gay or lesbian,” Garber said. “This is about the law being fair.”

Kirkwood's attorney, Edwin Fahlen, said the agreement was binding regardless of whether his client was registered as a domestic partner or even married.

He said both sides agreed the pact could not be modified and that Garber waived his right to investigate the nature of Kirkwood's relationship.

Garber's attorney, William M. Hulsy, disagreed.

“If he had signed that agreement under the same factual scenario except marriage, not domestic partnership, his agreement to pay spousal support would be null and void,” Hulsy said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: alimony; ca; divorce; domesticpartnership; homosexualagenda; leftcoast; lesbian; liberalism; spousalsupport
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To: Reagan Man
If the judge was an ethical individual, he'd have lowered the alimony payment to $1.00 per month.

Then he would be out of a job.

California gives judges no latitude for spousal support. The judge plugs in numbers, such as his salary, her salary, time together, yada yada yada into a program (called Dissomaster, for any techs out there) and comes up with the spousal support numbers. That is pretty much it.

21 posted on 07/24/2007 10:06:06 AM PDT by NathanR (Apr?s moi, le deluge.)
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To: DogByte6RER
“This is not about gay or lesbian,” Garber said. “This is about the law being fair.”

Don't you understand Mr. Garber that things MUST be MORE fair for fags?

22 posted on 07/24/2007 10:06:14 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: DogByte6RER
People can’t have it both ways. If you want a domestic partnership to nullify alimony, then you also must recognize a domestic partnership as conferring all rights and privileges that a heterosexual marriage bestows, including child custody.
23 posted on 07/24/2007 10:06:30 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: NathanR
>>>>>California gives judges no latitude for spousal support.

Really. That's too bad.

24 posted on 07/24/2007 10:07:57 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Well, the lesson is: form caring, committed, long-term relationships if you want - just don’t sign any government papers attesting to the fact. ;)


25 posted on 07/24/2007 10:08:44 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Yo-Yo; DogByte6RER
People can’t have it both ways. If you want a domestic partnership to nullify alimony, then you also must recognize a domestic partnership as conferring all rights and privileges that a heterosexual marriage bestows, including child custody.

Why should an ex-spouse deserve alimony? Why shouldn't she support herself? This is 2007 not 1925. Anyway, isn't California a community property state? If so, why is the ex-wife entitled to anything more than a 50-50 split of assets accumultated during the marriage?

26 posted on 07/24/2007 10:11:43 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Reagan Man
Really. That's too bad.

I suspect, there were some bad cases of influence peddling in the past, or something. I didn't ask; I just supported the program. (Dissomaster)

27 posted on 07/24/2007 10:13:03 AM PDT by NathanR (Apr?s moi, le deluge.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Exactly. No differnt then paying alimony to the ex-wife’s cabana boy.


28 posted on 07/24/2007 10:13:51 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Paleo Conservative
Better be thankful, the state doesn’t pool their salaries and split them down the middle.
29 posted on 07/24/2007 10:15:45 AM PDT by NathanR (Apr?s moi, le deluge.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

The husband apparently agreed to the alimony, perhaps in lieu of a property settlement.


30 posted on 07/24/2007 10:16:24 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: DogByte6RER

“...both sides agreed the pact could not be modified and that Garber waived his right to investigate the nature of Kirkwood’s relationship. “

The fact is we need standardized marital settlement agreement language which precluded such cohabition, or cohabitation without marriage, in order to keep the alimony flowing.


31 posted on 07/24/2007 10:16:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LWalk18

one pays alimony until the spouse on the receiving end gets married.....

....this Lez got ‘married’ in the lez’s own mind and should no longer receive alimony.


32 posted on 07/24/2007 10:24:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: longtermmemmory; DogByte6RER
The fact is we need standardized marital settlement agreement language which precluded such cohabition, or cohabitation without marriage, in order to keep the alimony flowing.

What's needed is a prenuptial agreement.

33 posted on 07/24/2007 10:24:51 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: NathanR

You are confusing child support with alimony. Child support is not negotiable, alimony is.


34 posted on 07/24/2007 10:25:07 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: DogByte6RER

The women aren’t married. Next.


35 posted on 07/24/2007 10:27:33 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: LWalk18

Bingo! My soon to be ex and I did the same thing. I was complete owner of our business and when we split, we agreed he would pay me X amount monthly for X amount of time in alimony in exchange for 100% ownership of the business.

I didn’t want it written up as a sale of the business or tied to the business in any way in case it should close or he should sell.


36 posted on 07/24/2007 10:27:38 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas , Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: NathanR
Better be thankful, the state doesn’t pool their salaries and split them down the middle.

That's how it's done in Texas. Each spouse is entitled to 50% of to total of all income during the marriage. There's no alimony except in some instances during the divorce procedings. Once a divorce is final, there is no alimony.

37 posted on 07/24/2007 10:28:52 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Vaquero

There is no “married” in one’s “own mind”. Marriage is a legal status defined by the State. The women aren’t married. Case closed.


38 posted on 07/24/2007 10:29:37 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: DogByte6RER

The domestic partnership allows the ex-wife to use her partner’s health coverage, and she can collect on her partner’s life insurance. Why should she get all the perks of a relationship, but not have to endure any burdens (i.e. give up the alimony).


39 posted on 07/24/2007 10:30:02 AM PDT by YourAdHere (Buy My Book, Bradypalooza, from Amazon.Com)
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To: YourAdHere

Domestic partnerships aren’t marriage. You want equal treatment, let them get married.


40 posted on 07/24/2007 10:31:13 AM PDT by Wolfie
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