Oh and one more thing that I found extremely interesting
Bill Krystol while making a point how far left the dems have gone ... mentioned how the DNC Candidates and leaders are going to the Daily Kos Convention in August ... but non are going to the DCL Conference .. a group that Bill Clinton start and was to be the new democrats
And Juan's reply was that the extreme left position (presumably of folks like the Kossacks referenced by Bill) was now the mainstream reasonable position of most Americans. He then trotted out the same fungible BS polls to say that 70% of American's want out of Iraq and 52% of Iraqi's say we're making things worse, not better. Haven't both of those numbers been totally discredited literally hundreds of times? Why don't people like Kristol, Hume or even Wallace have that info handy to correct the simple facts? I mean, those bogus polls get used in almost every debate and the lies are allowed to stand.