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To: snugs; Phsstpok
Thank you my FRiend.

I am hearing a lot of discouragement lately from, otherwise up to this point, stalwarts. I am concerned.

The fact that the Republican party has not gotten out in everything from local newspapers up to beating the doors down of the big three broadcasters in support of this war and harping on its successes is killing us. In shouldn't have to be just the Pres and his administration doing this. Where are our Representatives and Senators? Compare their silence with how the democrats everywhere protected Clinton during his impeachment. What mattered more to this country?

Still, the number one dealer in our defeat has been the DBM. Damn them straight to Hell! I said it right after the Nov 06 elections. Others might disagree, but I’ll say it again. The DBM is doing more to lose the war on terrorism, worldwide, as well as in Iraq, than even the enemy. By their constant harping on atrocities by US (so unfair, if anything our military often gets itself killed to avoid atrocities—something no other military has barely bothered with) and their profound hatred of George W. Bush, they're willing to see us lose rather than a political enemy protect us (and look good in the bargain).

I don’t know how we can truly sustain our efforts to support the Pres in Iraq with this biased group of “gatekeepers of what’s occurring in the world”. We truly have very limited access to the minds and hearts of most people to let them now what’s really going on.

I am sad to say I think we’re going to lose this thing. Unless some spectacular successes happen in the next two months, and then they might never be reported, when Gen David Petraeus makes his report come September more people we’ve relied on to keep their chin up will drop it and want out.

205 posted on 07/22/2007 9:50:13 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Alot of this may be moot after tomorrow. That is the 9th of Av which is said to be when the Arabs will come after Israel (again). Historically this is the day the First and Second Temples were destroyed 656 years apart. If this unfolds, maybe Paris, Britni, Posh and dog lover Vick will take back seats in the DBM for awhile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B’Av


207 posted on 07/22/2007 10:00:29 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Alas Babylon!

I disagree. I see groups like this forming.

Vets for Freedom

http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/

I hear the Talk Radio hosts FINALLY getting off the bench on Iraq.

The vote totals in Congress are moving against the Democrat Leadership.

The 1st bill they managed to pass but could not over ride a Presidential veto. Now they cannot even get the votes for cloture and lost votes in the US House.

You are seeing more and more positive coverage leaking thur the DNC directed media’s censorship. You are even starting to see Repulican Congress critters, like Kit Bond today, get off their butt.

Pretty soon the Democrats are going to have to get off the pot and actually try to pull funding. When they do that they will lose all the “moderate” votes.

Time is on our side, not theirs. It always is. The more information that gets out there, the worse it is for the DC Propagandists message.

From Hillary Care, to Immigration to Iraq, the Elites can only win when they can move quick. The longer the debate drags out, the worse the DC Noise machine does.

I think the problem is most of your peer group are Vietnam Era vets. So they tend to run everything thru the “Lessons of Vietnam” rule book.

Get the American people behind you.

Win quick.

Don’t take many casualties.

Get the heck out.

Only problem is this rule book is written for a completely different sort of war. Vietnam and Iraq are not at all compariable. Here is why.

Vietnam did not start out with a 09-11 style attack on the US homeland.

There is no Watergate scandal to cripple the Administration.

The PC Media does not control the flow of information to nearly the extent they did in 1974. Both Talk Radio and the Internet provide just as many people with their information as Big Media.

The Talk Radio hosts are FINALLY starting to get into this fight.

The activist base on the Right is much larger, better organized and more activist then Nixon’s “silent majority”.

The Anti American movement on the Left is much smaller, more wacko and not being funded and actively aided by our enemies like their were during the late 1960s-early 1970s.

Iraq is not Vietnam Redux.

Vietnam was a Cold War proxy war bettween the conventionally armed Superpower proxies that the American people could not understand why we were fighting. It was fought with a draftee army thus giving an overwhelming personal “cause” for the petulent brats of the “anti War” movement.

Iraq is not a proxy war. It is a war against a clearly deadly foe. It is being fought with a volunteer military. And despite some patetic PR performances by those on our side, that message is out there and being communicated.

Forget the polling data. You can structure a poll to get almost any result you want. The fact is the Democrats did not even dare run against Iraq in 2006. They did everything to avoid having to clearly state a position.

Then they went to DC and got seduced by the rabid “Anti War” crowd that controls the US PC Media into beliving the 2006 results were all about Iraq. NO they were not.

And the proof is in the pudding. For 6 months, the Democrats have done NOTHING but grandstand on Iraq. NOW the ONLY support they have is the same rabid Leftist 10-15% that even after 09-11 did NOT support the President or the US in any poll.

No sir, time is on OUR side, not theirs.


209 posted on 07/22/2007 10:17:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Ignorance can be cured by education, stupidity is a terminal condition)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I think it was MNJ that stated(correctly as well) that the dems have no plans to pull us out of Iraq.

Their only plan is to have GW admit some kind of defeat by pulling out troops out some time before the 08 elections. Or worse yet admit to some terrorists supporting time line of withdrawal of any troops whatsoever which will also play into their hands.

They have to have something to run on and it has to be something they can blame GW on.

So far he has not let them have it and I doubt that he will.,p>

The surge is working and that is their worst nightmare. Should it proceed as good as it is(and the public find out about it due to us) expect them to yell even louder that nothing is working.

NO one wants to admit we are in a worldwide WOT and Iraq is only a staging area for the moment. It could be somewhere else next year.

Sooner or later our side will gel since truth is GW ratings are about double congresses and the other truth that is always ignored the surrendercrat/dems always lie and we mostly tell the truth. Truth will always be on on our side.

239 posted on 07/22/2007 12:20:29 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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