Yeah, LET just set aside the US Constution and the judical system and have the President rule by the emotional fiat of the rabid Know Nothings.
You all, as usual, are flying into hysteric based on pure emotion here.
We are a society of laws. It is not at ALL “Conservative: to demand the President just set aside Court rulings based on the screaming of 5th string talk radio hosts, columns in fringe publications or the various money rasining activist groups e mails.
Never bother to think about that fact do you all?
That ALL your information on this case is presented by tainted sources with a political ax to grind here? NO, because it fits your hyper emotional position on Illegal Immigration, you just accept as “facts” anything that fit your emotional whimsy
Well guess what. It possible for Border Patrol Agents to be thugs and crooks. Just because they serve in the Border Patrol doesn’t make them saints.
Bush comuted Libby’s sentence so he could stay out of jail pending the appeals process. But that process is still going forward. He did not over rule the legal system just to appease the emotional whisy of various far right pressure groups. That is what you all are demanding here.
A great deal of evidence was suppressed by the prosecution on what happened and the history of the illegal drug runner they shot. At least 3 of the jurist after the fact and after being informed of the facts say they would not have found the agents guilty.
Jorge Shrub is just doing his Mexican masters bidding again.
Bush comuted Libby’s sentence so he could stay out of jail pending the appeals process.
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Bush commuted the Scooter Libby sentence so he would not go to jail PERIOD.
Not just to stay out of jail pending the appeals process. Get out of Jail FREE
Calm down. I have no ax to grind here. The facts in this case are fairly well known. Agents shot a drug smuggler trying to flee back into Mexico. Or put more simply - an agent shot a criminal who refused to stop for law enforcement.
Why are these agents in prison? OK, a jury put them there. Juries can make mistakes as we saw with OJ. The Constitution provides the ability for Presidents to remedy cases where juries make mistakes. This was one of them. President Bush should exercise his Constitutional right to remedy this wrong.
"emotional, emotion"... you must have got the same memo as Sutton and Aguilar. The only hysteria I see are from folks like Johhny Sutton... and your post.
... set aside Court rulings based on the screaming of 5th string talk radio hosts, columns in fringe publications or the various money rasining activist groups e mails.
Actually, I based my opinion on a close reading of the OIG report and the trial transcript, as well as sworn testimony given in front of Congress. Just wondering, do you consider Investor's Business Daily a "fringe publication?"
Never bother to think about that fact do you all?
I think about why some here want to misrepresent the facts as the documents mentioned lay out.
That ALL your information on this case is presented by tainted sources with a political ax to grind here? NO, because it fits your hyper emotional position on Illegal Immigration, you just accept as “facts” anything that fit your emotional whimsy
NO. Most are not basing their opinions on that, as mentioned above. "Tainted... ax... hyper emotional position... emotional whimsy... " That sounds a bit hysterical to me. ;-)
Well guess what. It possible for Border Patrol Agents to be thugs and crooks. Just because they serve in the Border Patrol doesn’t make them saints.
Well, duh! Unfortunately, that has been shown to not be the case in this instance.
Bush comuted Libby’s sentence so he could stay out of jail pending the appeals process. But that process is still going forward.
And he argued that he would not step in on the Ramos/Compean case until the appeals process had been completed. Double standard?
He did not over rule the legal system just to appease the emotional whisy of various far right pressure groups. That is what you all are demanding here.
There you go again with that "emotional whisy" (sic) stuff. Get a grip!
“It possible for Border Patrol Agents to be thugs and crooks?”
The government prosecuted Ramos and Compean criminally for acts that called only for an administrative reprimand, based the case on the testimony of an admitted drug smuggler brought back from Mexico and induced to testify by a grant of immunity, withheld crucial evidence from the jury, used the wrong law (that carries a mandatory additional 10-year sentence), and now won’t release the transcript of the trial without which the border guards cannot appeal.
The smuggler’s reward for his testimony was immunity, U.S. medical treatment, and a government-issued border pass.
Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security now admits that its official lied to congressmen in claiming that Ramos and Compean had confessed, lied, destroyed evidence, and said they did not believe the smuggler was a threat. No evidence ever existed for those damaging accusations.
The government denied their freedom pending appeal and put Ramos in a prison where five criminal illegal immigrants were alleged to have severely beat him and kicked him with steel-toed work boots. Reportedly, no prison guards defended him from this attack.
The prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, claims that Ramos shot an unarmed drug smuggler in the rear end as he was running away. But the ballistics report failed to prove the bullet came from Ramos’ gun, and the medical report showed that the bullet entered the smuggler’s buttock on his side at an angle consistent with Ramos’s contention that the smuggler was turning around with what looked like a weapon in his hand.
Ramos and Compean didn’t believe they wounded the smuggler because he kept running and escaped across the border into a waiting vehicle. The doctor’s description of the trajectory of the bullet he removed from the smuggler’s body casts doubt on the whole assumption that his wound came from shots fired by the border guards.
Sutton claims that Ramos and Compean were prosecuted because they “lied” and covered up their actions. The alleged lie was that they gave an incomplete report of their confrontation with the smuggler on Feb. 17, 2005.
As usual, your blathering is based on fiction.
As to the question at hand. I am not influenced by the talk show hosts you demean. [Who, BTW, played a critical role in defeating that very poorly constructed piece of legislation about immigration.] I am influenced by having read the Ramos-Compean trial transcript, which was kept from the public for an extraordinary period.
Requesting that Pres. Bush intervene and pardon a perceived miscarriage of justice is neither conservative nor liberal. I have seen people on both ends of the political spectrum be opposed to the way this trial was conducted. That Article II, section 2 of the Constitution states the President has the power to issue pardons, simply means citizens are partitioning and exercising their constitutional rights to ask the President to exercise his.
I totally disagree with your characterization of the US Border Agents. But, that is your opinion. However, your inability to see the inappropriateness of their sentence concerns me. To alter an old saying, “Justice abused is justice denied!”
I guess you think it's more likely that the BP agents of hispanic heritage were thugs than a drug smuggler was armed. Ever have your drinking water tested up there?
Best get your meds checked.
That's why we aren't listening to you on this one.
>>You all, as usual, are flying into hysteric based on pure emotion here.<<
Spoken by FR’s resident raving lunatic.
Well, these two agents appeals process is going forward, so why shouldn’t their sentence be commuted if Libby’s was. After all, there is just about as much evidence against them as there was against Libby.
Never, ever, trust a drug dealer. Without his testimony there is no case.