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To: Ping-Pong
In thinking about this wouldn't the scripture already quoted, from Jeremiah 4:23, reference the universe being in transition?
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (became) without form, and void; and the heavens and they had no light.

I'm not familiar with Jeremiah, so I did a quick search and found this commentary by Clark:

Verse 19. My bowels] From this to the twenty-ninth verse the prophet describes the ruin of Jerusalem and the desolation of Judea by the Chaldeans in language and imagery scarcely paralleled in the whole Bible.[emphasis mine]

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Clark doesn't give any indication that what is being described in the verse(s) you mention as being either global, or universal (read universe)

In fact, he makes it clear that it is local, i.e., Jerusalem / Judea. >p>The same thing applies to Matthew Henry's commentary:

The approaching ruin of Judah. (Verse 19-31.)
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I'd be willing to bet that if you check with other notable commentators, you'd find the same thing. That said, and after reading the whole of Jeremiah 4, I have to agree.

I can see how one might interpret it in the way you have if read out of context, or if presented to someone else out of context, but considering that the it does literally reference Jerusalem, specifically, in verse 14, I have to disagree with your argument.

284 posted on 07/23/2007 12:44:40 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense; Diego1618
Thank you for checking different sources. I can't agree with him for when he states the following it isn't correct:

Verse 19. My bowels] From this to the twenty-ninth verse the prophet describes the ruin of Jerusalem and the desolation of Judea by the Chaldeans in language and imagery scarcely paralleled in the whole Bible.[emphasis mine]

Please read those verses yourself to determine the meaning. The writer doesn't know about or understand that there was an age before this one. He is reading the top layer of those verses but they are much deeper.

In Jer.4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was (became) without form, and void; and the heavens and they had no light. That is not about Judea only.

I can see how one might interpret it in the way you have if read out of context, or if presented to someone else out of context, but considering that the it does literally reference Jerusalem, specifically, in verse 14, I have to disagree with your argument.

I don't believe I am reading it out of context. In vs. 14 Jeremiah was warning his people, those of Jerusalem, about the king of Babylon coming, he is warning us of the king of end times, anti-christ coming.

291 posted on 07/23/2007 6:07:57 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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