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To: ejonesie22
I know, but of course if you go on the 4350, you’d have to also go with the 6000-9000 year old earth theory also, which is bupkis. So exactly what happened. Well we don’t know except that there was some flood at some time. That is what it says. Not that the world was flooded at 8:43 AM, Monday, March whatever 2250 BC.

My response was to your post that stated:

Nothing in observed science contradicts anything in the Bible.

I provided an example where science does contradict something in the bible.

My statement relies on two things.

The first is the date of a global flood. I have listed some interpretations for that below. They generally center around 2350 BC or 4350 years ago. I have no independent opinion on this, so must rely on scholars and their opinions.

Second, is the lack of evidence for a global flood at that date in archaeology and sedimentology. I have spent a lot of years doing archaeology and reading archaeological journals. My colleagues and I have not found evidence for a global flood at the time it should have occurred. Instead, we find a number of kinds of evidence which show continuity from before, during, and after that date. In my area we have continuity of prehistoric cultures, mtDNA, fauna and flora, soil deposition, etc. No break 4350 years ago.

But if you want to see evidence for a large flood (actually a series of floods), google "channeled scablands" and see what happened in central and southern Washington at the end of the last ice age. Ice dams held glacial meltwater in the Idaho panhandle area, creating a series of lakes in western Montana. Periodically these dams released the water, and it scoured parts of Washington. The point I want to make here is that a large flood leaves evidence. A global flood much more recently would have erased that evidence and left other, much more visible evidence. And archaeologists and other -ologists are pretty good at finding that evidence--if it is there.

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The date of the global flood:

2252 BC -- layevangelism.com

2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).

2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.

2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com

2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html

2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel

2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html

3300 BC -- http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood1.html

3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)

211 posted on 07/21/2007 9:16:24 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
I don’t disagree. I don’t hold the whole 6000 year old Earth theory. 4-5 Billion is that last figure I have seen and has been that way for some time. I am good with that until we discover something more. The Earth is very old.

I have faith, I also have the intelligence to know the is a lot more to it than what the Bible holds. If they had space.com or National Geographic back then maybe they would have been more detailed. The frame of reference used in writing the narratives was time/knowledge based. The flood may well have been local in scope but globe in perception. The Roman’s used to think the “world” was their empire. The dates at the end of your post to be from the creationist sites. It could be that some local catastrophic event became the narrative that passed down the line, maybe it occurred much earlier, who knows.

I don’t hold the over simplified explanation that the Creation Scientist hold. I had a minister friend who was also a geologist by trade, he’s the one I got the “Jesus Flintstone” line from. He used to hate those publications that would show man, much less Christ petting Brontosaurs. I got my take from him many years ago. If you truly believe in an all powerful and all knowing God, he can make anything he wants, and time he wants, anyway he wants. To turn your back on or dismiss obvious results is ignorant and an insult to the very power you say you worship.

To me the work you and other scientist do does not prove or disprove God as fact. Like I said that’s too easy anyways. If God was sitting down and showing ID to everybody then there would be no point.

When I look at the complexity of a double star system, the beauty of a nebula, the majesty of the mountains, the mysteries of the deep ocean, mind knows what I have read of the mechanics and properties, my heart and my faith tell that it is good for me to enjoy the gift...

217 posted on 07/21/2007 12:59:42 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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