Posted on 07/18/2007 10:24:53 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans scuttled a Democratic proposal ordering troop withdrawals from Iraq in a showdown Wednesday that capped an all-night debate on the war.
The 52-47 vote fell short of the 60 votes needed to cut off debate under Senate rules. It was a sound defeat for Democrats who say the U.S. military campaign, in its fifth year and requiring 158,000 troops, cannot tame the sectarian violence in Iraq.
"We have to get us out of a middle of a civil war" said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee. A political solution must be found "so when we leave Iraq, we don't just send our children home, we don't have to send our grandchildren back."
As members cast their votes, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice hurried between private meetings with lawmakers in their Capitol Hill offices to make the administration's case for the war.
On a trip to Afghanistan, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace said the U.S. "can do whatever it is we want to do to have a dialogue about how to fight this enemy. But the bottom line is that as long as our enemy is sworn to destroy our way of life, we are going to be in a war."
The Democratic proposal, by Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Jack Reed, D-R.I., would have required President Bush to start bringing home troops within 120 days and complete the pullout by April 30, 2008. Under the bill, an unspecified number of troops could remain behind to conduct a narrow set of missions: counterterrorism, protecting U.S. assets and training Iraqi security forces.
Republicans were mostly unified in their opposition to sidetrack the legislation, with four exceptions. Three Republicans — Sens. Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska — announced previously they support setting a deadline on the war.
Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who is up for re-election next year, also voted to advance the bill. Spokesman Kevin Kelley said Collins believes the measure should be subject to a simple majority vote and not the 60 votes needed to end a filibuster. She opposes the legislation, however, Kelley said.
Other GOP members, while uneasy about the war, said they could not support legislation that would force Bush to adhere to a firm pullout date.
"The amendment tells our enemies when they can take over in Iraq," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., who also is up for re-election next year.
The bill "is the wrong approach at the wrong time," he added.
The maneuvering occurred as the Senate debated a broad defense bill that includes a pay raise for the troops, revised regulations for detaining suspects in the war on terror and an increase in the size of the Army and Marines. Following the vote, Reid said he would suspend work on the measure, to which the Democrats sought to attach the troop withdrawal provision, until a date to be determined.
By pulling the defense bill, Democrats leave open the possibility of resurrecting the debate in September, when Iraq commander Gen. David Petraeus is expected to deliver his assessment of the recent troop buildup. Also in September, Congress plans to consider a war spending bill to continue combat after Oct. 1.
Democrats are hoping that, by then, enough GOP members will turn against Bush on the war and vote to bring troops home.
Among lawmakers scheduled to meet with Rice were Biden, Smith, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., and House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio.
The vote came after a rare, round-the-clock session Democrats used to highlight Republican support for Bush's Iraq strategy. Republicans said the all-nighter was a useless political stunt.
"All we have achieved are remarkably similar newspaper accounts of our inflated sense of the drama of this display and our own temporary physical fatigue," said Sen. John McCain of Arizona, presidential candidate and the top Republican on the Armed Services Committe.
Most senators got a chance for a few hours of shuteye even while a handful of their colleagues took turns droning on through the night with floor speeches.
With a half-dozen spectators watching from the gallery, Republicans Collins and Sen. John Thune of South Dakota were among those speaking during the long night, joined by Democrats Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan and Jim Webb of Virginia. McCain finished his speech around 4:10 a.m. He was followed by White House hopeful Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.
While the issue was momentous — a war more than four years in duration, costing more than 3,600 U.S. troops their lives — the proceedings were thick with politics.
MoveOn.org, the anti-war group, announced plans for more than 130 events around the country to coincide with the Senate debate, part of an effort to pressure Republicans into allowing a final vote on the legislation. A candlelight vigil and rally across the street from the Capitol was prominent among them, with Democratic leaders attending.
anyone catch the fact that Reid voted “nay”?
Seems Kerry miscounted!! ..or lied?
How eloquent.
Now FoR Some Good News!
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U.S. Military Spokesman General Kevin Bergner attends a news conference in Baghdad, July 18, 2007. A senior operative for al Qaeda in Iraq who was caught this month has told his U.S. military interrogators a prominent al Qaeda-led group is just a front and its leader fictitious, a military spokesman said on Wednesday. REUTERS/Ali Al-Saadi/Pool (IRAQ)
Anybody got a link to how the Senators voted?
anyone catch the fact that Reid voted “nay”?
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It’s a procedural thing so he can bring it back again.. Senate rules. :-\
“We have to get us out of a middle of a civil war” said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee. A political solution must be found “so when we leave Iraq, we don’t just send our children home, we don’t have to send our grandchildren back.”
OK, genius, please provide the silver bullet “political solution.” We’re waiting.
Waiting...
Still waiting...
A political solution must be found “so when we leave Iraq, we don’t just send our children home, we don’t have to send our grandchildren back.”...What’s he running?...a daycare center?
Biden’s comments are a perfect example of the vacuous sophistry constantly made by Democrats. Look at what he says. Basically he says...NOTHING! No solutions. No recommendations. No alternatives. No ideas. Just some hollow psycho-bable.
Lieberman - (I) CT, voted with the Repubs. And of course Hairless Reid voted no on a procedural move that allows him to take the bill off the table.
I can kinda understand Snowe, Collins, and Smith as they are in precarious states, but Hagel? That nut has to go. And what about Sen. Johnson from SD? He didn’t vote. Is this guy still alive? When’s the last time he was on the floor? Why hasn’t anyone raised the point that this guy is basically gone and not representing South Dakota.
Dingy Harry was ranting about how the American people deserve and up or down vote on this and other important issues. My how times have changed!
He also blamed the defeat on the Republicans. Since several Republicans, for example, Hagel and Snow vote for cloture, that means some Democrats must have voted AGAINST cloture to reach 52 votes since there are 49 Democrats in the Senate. That sounds like a pretty bipartisan vote AGAINST cloture to me.
Any ideas on how the term 'civil war' has come to describe a foreign invasion force deliberately targeting non-combatants to further a political agenda? Following that logic, one could claim that 9/11 was part of a 'civil war' in America! (Of course, with the Party of Treason garnering as much support as it does in this country, that's probably not too far off the mark).
Senate Republicans have shown some backbone lately. Maybe it is because of President Bush’s ass kicking or maybe it is because they have finally gotten their heads out.....
I have to give them credit for not betraying our troops and America. I believe I can justify some financial support for the RNC next time around.
After they succeed in surrendering Iraq the Demokratz can begin the "End the War in Afghanistan NOW" argument. You can be sure that Iraq is just the first step in the Demokrat-led total surrender. Don't believe it? Check Neil Abercrombie (D-HI).
All Senators that voted YES should receive a telephone call telling them what human debris they are. Hopefully, they can all be voted OUT in disgrace. RINO’s need to hear from us ASAP. Perhaps the RNC, whose donations are not forthcoming, can give them a call as well to let them know the base is through with them and their anti-military, surrender garbage.
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