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To: Tree of Liberty
You are very right. However, we are to be as a watchman on the wall. LOOKING and waiting. What would have been the purpose of God giving us a detailed description of the signs if not to know and understand them. If more Jews had studied and understood the prophecies of the Old Testament, more of them would have recognized Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus himself said that we would know the season of His return. I am not by any means a date setter, but some day it WILL happen. And I know one thing for SURE; we are closer today then we were yesterday!

This in no way is directed at you. I don’t know your thoughts, nor pretend to. That being said, in my opinion, MANY Christians quote, “No one knows the hour or the day...” because rather then study the Word and face possibly some conviction, fear, or whatever, when they read about the coming wrath of God, that verse comforts them and lets them move on and get back to the next sitcom or reality show. I think it is a cop out by so many. I have found that more then anything, studying prophecy brings me into a right relationship with the Lord, and spurs me on to share the gospel with others, far and above “date setting”.

24 posted on 07/18/2007 12:08:52 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Anyone but Hitlery)
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To: Anti-Hillary; Tree of Liberty

Not to mention, Romans 11 seems to suggest that Israel, the state, not the body of believers, will come to know Christ. As of right now, they are mostly atheist. Also, who says that Gog and Magog is Russia or Iran or Syria or any other country?


31 posted on 07/18/2007 12:32:38 AM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Anti-Hillary

http://www.tektonics.org/esch/eschatology.html


33 posted on 07/18/2007 12:43:58 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The democRAT party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

I’m really impressed with your self-righteousness. Feels good doesn’t it?


38 posted on 07/18/2007 1:09:57 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (In the Rise and Fall of United States I hope the Fall part is more than one chapter.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

This in no way is directed at you. I don’t know your thoughts, nor pretend to. That being said, in my opinion, MANY Christians quote, “No one knows the hour or the day...” because rather then study the Word and face possibly some conviction, fear, or whatever, when they read about the coming wrath of God, that verse comforts them and lets them move on and get back to the next sitcom or reality show. I think it is a cop out by so many. I have found that more then anything, studying prophecy brings me into a right relationship with the Lord, and spurs me on to share the gospel with others, far and above “date setting”.

= = =

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

Using that Scripture for this warning about war is . . . unfitting AT BEST.

It’s about Christ’s return.

Your statements are spot on. Thanks.


101 posted on 07/18/2007 9:00:55 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Anti-Hillary

“If more Jews had studied and understood the prophecies of the Old Testament, more of them would have recognized Jesus as the Messiah.”

Uh, not quite. The incredible arrogance of that statement is simply stunning - hundreds of the most learned and gifted rabbis of every generation over the last 2,000 years (oh, and the many hundreds of millions of just plain observant Jews over the same time) somehow didn’t study or understand our own prophecies well enough (even though they are in our own language, and should be interpreted according to our own frame of reference), but you understand them perfectly well. Hahahahahahaha!

If you actually want to learn something that all of these rabbis knew (or know, for the present generation) and have an open mind, take a gander at this information about the Messiah according to traditional (i.e. Orthodox) Judaism:

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/handbook/s_messiah.html

Once you’re done with that, then look at the following refutation (brief though it is) of various Christian “proof” texts:

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/handbook/s_refuting.html

My aim is not to insult you or demean your faith. However, think about this logically: Christianity without a valid Hebrew Bible as its base is meaningless-utterly. However, a valid Hebrew Bible negates most of the important beliefs of Christianity (i.e. the ones that differ from Judaism). HOW can you reconcile that?


180 posted on 07/18/2007 1:43:36 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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