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State of Dixie - Redux
Author ^ | 7-17-2007 | Clint Johnson

Posted on 07/17/2007 11:16:28 AM PDT by Clint Johnson

Please excuse the clumsiness of a 54-year-old, good ole Southern boy writer who don't know much about blogging, but I was curious to read some reactions to Is It True What They Say About Dixie by Mary Knapp. Miss Knapp did a fair job, but some quotes were a little out of context.

The quote about "our ancestors are racists" really should be something like: "Outsiders to the South say our ancestors were racist slave owners so today's Southerners must be racist too." My original quote was meant to show the absurdity of the point of view that some have of today's South being a dark, scary place where white folks would like to bring back slavery.

Miss Knapp also confused 19th century abolitionist/terrorist John Brown with 18th century slave trader John Brown, who I enjoy pointing out was the sugar daddy of today's ultra liberal Brown University.

Freepers can see my entire presentation this Saturday, July 21, at 10:00 p.m. on C-Spann 2 BookTV. This will be the first time that BookTV will show this event, recorded a few weeks ago at a Eagle Forum Collegians meeting in Washington, D.C.

My purpose in writing the book was to point out that The South IS RESPONSIBLE for the republic that the U.S. has become. Left to the power brokers of the Northeast, the nation would still be just 13 states hugging the Atlantic Ocean and we would still be governed by the Articles of Confederation. The South is more patriotic (demonstrated by a 2005 Dept. of Defense survey showing Southerners are twice as likely to serve in the Armed Forces than any other region); The South is more racially welcoming (Census records show black folks are abandoning the Northeast and heading South for better opportunities; The causes for The War for Southern Independence were much more complicated and numerous than the official government explanation of "The North wanted to free the South's slaves."


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To: stand watie
fwiw, the FIRST THANKSGIVING was celebrated in TEXAS, just a few miles south of El Paso, about 100+ years BEFORE the pilgrim's arrival.

The piligrims' first Thanksgiving was held in the spring of 1621. One hundred years earlier, Cortez hadn't even finished conquering the Aztecs--that wouldn't happen until August of that year. The first mass in Texas took place in 1680, at Ysleta, which used to be on the Mexican side of the Rio Grande, but after a river shift in 1829 is now on the US side (and claims to be the oldest town in Texas).

41 posted on 07/17/2007 3:20:12 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
And every textbook in South Carolina public schools is approved at the state level, so that must be the version of things they want propagated. It's not the yankees putting that book into your young hands.

Come on now Bubba....LOL
You know what happened the last time the State Government of SC went against the wishes of the Federal Governement.... :-)

FWIW I like alot of Yankees, it's the DAMNyankees we can't stand. Those are the Yankees that are liberals, commies, and anybody else that feel they are superior to the point of arrogance over us lowly Rebs. The Yankees that are moving here to get away from the crap up north are fine people for the most part. Hell, I got a buddy in FL. that came from Jersey. He's already wearing wife beater T's and got a rebel flag on his Lexus... :-)

Like your screen name, love Bruce Campbell

42 posted on 07/17/2007 3:25:57 PM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
I think the TV footage that was seen during the Civil Rights Era has more to do with that impression in northern minds.

I know what you mean breddah...


43 posted on 07/17/2007 5:09:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (world's least admitted secret.....................strong women need stronger men)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

In reply to Bubby Ho-Tep who asked the origins of this statement - The causes for The War for Southern Independence were much more complicated and numerous than the official government explanation of “The North wanted to free the South’s slaves.”

Since the Clinton administration, and thanks to a bill introduced by U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Chicago, the “official” cause of The War was slavery. All national parks associated with The War are now required to tell visitors this story line.


44 posted on 07/17/2007 6:10:19 PM PDT by Clint Johnson
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To: stand watie

I have a replica of the Cherokee Braves Battle flag. When OKlahoma was going to drop the Confederate Battle flag from the flag pavillion, I suggested we fly this flag (they said that there was no historical proof that the flag ever flew over OK)

It’s the stars and bars with 5 red stars inside the 13 white stars and emblazoned with the words “Cherokee braves (or Cherokee rifles, I suddenly don’t remember)


45 posted on 07/17/2007 6:23:02 PM PDT by Stand W (Fetchez La Vache!)
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To: Clint Johnson
Since the Clinton administration, and thanks to a bill introduced by U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Chicago, the “official” cause of The War was slavery. All national parks associated with The War are now required to tell visitors this story line.

Despite the fact that Lincoln championed the Corwin Amendment guaranteeing permanent slavery, stated that no invasion would occur as long as the South paid the tariff, and welcomed any seceding state back into the union as a slave state if it simply rejoined the union. It was never about slavery, it was about the revenues.

I think it was your book that noted that all of the captured bales of cotton were quickly sent North, but captured/freed slaves were abandoned. Oh the humanity <sarcasm>

Kudos to you sir.

46 posted on 07/18/2007 6:24:15 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: billbears
God Bless the CSA bump

Amen. And thank God for Bar-B-Q - the real stuff, Southern style.

47 posted on 07/18/2007 7:24:31 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: Clint Johnson; Bubba Ho-Tep; billbears; stainlessbanner; stand watie
It would seem that "official government explanations" do exist, and have for a long time.

Let us be certain that our children know that the war between the States was not a contest for the preservation of slavery, as some would have them to believe, but that it was a great struggle for the maintenance of Constitutional rights, and that men who fought Were warriors tried and true, Who bore the flags of a Nation’s trust, And Fell in a cause, though lost, still just, And died for me and you.” J. Taylor Ellyson, Lt. Governor, Virginia, 1910.

On a visit four years ago to the Fort Sumter Park and tour facility in Charleston, South Carolina, I attempted to obtain the United States Department of the Interior Park Service pamphlet that provides the historical background of Fort Sumter. A Park Service attendant explained that the Park was temporarily not selling the booklet.

Further questioning revealed that the Park Service had explained to the employees that the historical booklets were being withdrawn, and none could be sold. They were being rewritten and would be sent along following the next printing.

Seeking an explanation as to what history was being revised, the local Park Service Resident-Historian explained that the United States Congress had recently directed the U.S. Park Service to change its presentations to the public regarding the Civil War era historical locations and their historical facts.

Research later revealed that Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., of Chicago, Illinois, had inserted language in a Department of Interior appropriations bill for Year 2000 that instructed the National Park Service to promote the idea about slavery as the sole cause of the war at all Civil War park sites.

By its actions, the United States Congress has agreed that American history as has been presented by the Park Service must be rewritten so that it can be used in the political campaign for influencing public opinion on the history of slavery in America.

48 posted on 07/18/2007 7:33:53 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Clint Johnson
The causes for The War for Southern Independence were much more complicated and numerous than the official government explanation of "The North wanted to free the South's slaves."

Why give the mythical Northern reason for the war? Why not give the Southern reason(s)?

49 posted on 07/18/2007 7:46:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: stand watie
the Europeans & the AmerIndians gathered to feast/pray/rejoice/dance/sing & GIVE THANKS to GOD for surviving the cold winter.

Cold winter? Near El Paso?

50 posted on 07/18/2007 7:50:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Clint Johnson

Welcome to FR, Clint.
Thanks for the post! ;-)


51 posted on 07/18/2007 7:54:15 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Jesus is real, He will never fail...I will serve him now, and throughout all eternity! ))
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To: PeaRidge
Remember this one?
U.S. Corrects 'Southern Bias' at Civil War Sites
52 posted on 07/18/2007 7:56:53 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Stand W; All
Cherokee Braves.

fyi, i have a "casket size" (i think it's about 5x9ft) Cherokee flag on my bedroom wall.

BUT it is NOT the Cherokee BATTLEFLAG. rather it is the NATIONAL flag of the nation, which was designed by GEN Albert Pike.

the Cherokee Battleflag is a solid RED flag with seven (7) white or yellow seven-pointed stars in the shape of the "big dipper". according to our tribal tradition, the war flag will fly until all our people are FREE again. (there is also a PEACE FLAG, which is white with RED stars. for obvious reasons it is NOT flown!)

free dixie,sw

53 posted on 07/18/2007 8:08:12 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Fly the colors, stand!


54 posted on 07/18/2007 8:09:15 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: PeaRidge; All
in other words, the NPS is promoting FICTION and KNOW that what they are spewing out is a pack of KNOWING LIES, "popularly agreed upon by tyrants & conquerers".

free dixie,sw

55 posted on 07/18/2007 8:10:50 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
you bet your life it can be cold in El Paso. (fyi, i was stationed at Ft Bliss over 2 long winters & "like to have frozen to death".)

obviously, it is NOT as cold there (thank goodness!) as it frequently is in DAMNyankeeland.

you might also want to check out COL de la Pena's journal of the "Road to the Alamo", circa December 1835-March 1836. he talks about how many HUNDREDS of Mexican soldiers died of FREEZING to death in DEEP SNOW & of "exposure of their natural persons to the cold & wet weather of Texas-Coahuila".

as much as 10-20% of the Mexican army died of FREEZING, "cold-related injury" & exposure on the way from Mexico to San Antonio de Bexar in 1835-36.

many more Mexican soldados finally arrived at San Antonio/Gonzales/Goliad/San Jacinto too sick to fight & many died in San Antonio of the illnesses, which they had contracted as a direct result of "the long march to death" in the winter of 1835-36.

the wide-spread illnesses, from exposure to the winter weather of Mexico & southwest Texas was ONE reason that the Mexican army was so soundly defeated by so few Texicans (perhaps as few as 450 'effectives"!) at San Jacinto. MANY soldiers were still to ill to "shoulder a rifle"! despite what you may have heard (it's a portion of the Mighty & GLORIOUS Texican MYTH), the Mexican army were NOT poor soldiers or fighters. they were simply sick, ill-led & poorly supplied with foof food/clean water & weaponry.

once more, you have been CAUGHT in one of two poses:

1. you "know not & know NOT that you know NOT" and/OR

2. you are once more trying, WITHOUT success, to DECEIVE your naive/unwary readers.

face it, N-S, everyone who has been on the WBTS threads for a while KNOWS that you are a PROPAGANDIST for the DAMNyankee HATERS/REVISIONISTS & NOTHING MORE.

DISHONESTY is your JOB!

free dixie,sw

56 posted on 07/18/2007 8:34:59 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

elPaso gets cold - shoot go up thru Alamogordo and there’s skiing in Riodoso!


57 posted on 07/18/2007 8:40:15 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
i was also at White Sands for a while. when the sun goes down it gets BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, COLD really quickly in the wintertime!

fwiw, N-S is UNpersuasive in his posting of NONSENSE. even my 27 month old niece wouldn't believe him any more.

free dixie,sw

58 posted on 07/18/2007 9:46:23 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stainlessbanner
i DO!

free dixie,sw

59 posted on 07/18/2007 9:47:09 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Stand W
fyi, Ruffin is making me a hand-sewn Cherokee Battleflag to match my national flag.

NOT cheap either, as HAND applique is hard to do!

free dixie,sw

60 posted on 07/18/2007 9:48:50 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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