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To: Greg F

The sophomoric athiest seems to think that he can prove the reverse somehow, that he can “prove” the non-existence of God.

The ultimate non-existence of God cannot be proven, just as the ultimate existence of God cannot be proven. All I have been trying to point out in my previous posts, in this and other threads, is that all of the empirical evidence to date certainly seems to point to the non-existence of God. And I’m glad that someone else here besides me understands superposition and that it is perfectly possible for something to come into existence from nothing; as demonstrated by modern QM theory. If the religionists studied science, they might at least begin to start understanding our arguments, rather than resorting to name-calling like “sophomoric” or “juvenile”. Isn’t it children who believe in fairy tales and adults who do not? Who is being juvenile here, really?


67 posted on 07/16/2007 7:47:34 AM PDT by Locke_2007 (Liberals are non-sentient life forms)
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To: Locke_2007

Our limitations don’t limit God.

I have a physicist friend that tells me that many modern “theories” in physics require such huge energies that they can never be tested. Is an untestable theory science at all? Or is it theology/philosophy/even an internally coherent fairy tale?


69 posted on 07/16/2007 7:53:51 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Locke_2007; LeGrande; Greg F; ImaGraftedBranch

Is it not also juvenile to suggest that the current laws of physics as we know them are concrete? Nothing more than theories, devised to help us explain how the universe works. I personally see science as a way to explain how God created the universe, but I also know that certain things we cannot see or measure - Heisenburg’s Uncertainty Principle, for one - simply because we have too many limitations upon us.

Just as an example, within the next few years, it’s very likely that the Higgs boson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson) will be determined to exist or not. If it does not, then expect the current “laws” of physics to undergo some thorough revisions (there is a reason why it’s called the theoretical “God particle”).

And that’s fine by me. There’s still more to learn. Humans, fashioning themselves as gods, cannot hope to grasp the full functions of how the universe works. Not yet, in any case.


76 posted on 07/16/2007 8:21:13 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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