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Supporting terrorists now a 'thought crime'
The Age ^ | 7/15/07 | Carmel Egan

Posted on 07/14/2007 2:24:24 PM PDT by LibWhacker

SYMPATHISING with a terrorist organisation is now a "thought crime" in Australia, say human rights lawyers concerned about the use of anti-terrorism laws against Gold Coast-based doctor Mohammed Haneef.

They warn the case against Haneef, an Indian national who worked at Gold Coast Hospital and yesterday became the first person to be charged in Australia with "recklessly" supporting a terrorist organisation, leaves thousands of people open to similar charges if they show even "a minute level of support to a terrorist organisation".

Haneef was charged after leaving his mobile phone SIM card with two cousins allegedly involved in the recent British car bomb attacks. The three shared a house in London and remained in contact after Haneef moved to the Gold Coast a year ago.

Senior defence lawyers who have represented high-profile terrorism suspects warn that the new laws fail to strike a balance between the rights of the accused and those of the state.

According to human rights lawyer Greg Barns, such laws would have led to the jailing of thousands of ordinary people — and politicians and sports stars — who donated to Nelson Mandela's ANC or supported the IRA in the 1970s and 1980s.

"If you were to send an email to al-Qaeda in Pakistan, and the email expresses support for a planned future attack you could be charged with providing support to a terrorist organisation," said Mr Barns, a barrister who is appearing in a Melbourne terrorism-related trial.

"In other words, you can be convicted of what is essentially, in these examples, thought crimes. It potentially catches anyone who provides even a minute level of support to a terrorist organisation anywhere in the world."

Defence lawyers have also attacked the Federal Government and the federal police "for seriously undermining" Haneef's chances of receiving a fair trial.

Ongoing commentary by Attorney-General Philip Ruddock and AFP chief Mick Keelty before charges were laid "seriously compromised" Haneef's case, barrister Rob Stary said yesterday.

Comments by senior legal and law enforcement figures gave the impression Haneef was associated with terrorism before charges could be tested, he said.

"Law enforcement agencies holding press conferences prior to a person being charged compromises their right to a fair trial," Mr Stary said.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: supporting; terrorists; thoughtcrime
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1 posted on 07/14/2007 2:24:25 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

It’s wrong..... but for once it’s wrong in the right direction.

(Still wrong of course.)


2 posted on 07/14/2007 2:25:59 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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Yup, you even think about supporting terrorists who are trying to kill us we get the right to blow your guts out.

Just what does this puke think war is about?!

3 posted on 07/14/2007 2:29:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibWhacker
"a minute level of support to a terrorist organisation".

We can't be stopping people from cheerleading for their favorite team now can we?
4 posted on 07/14/2007 2:39:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: LibWhacker

People should be allowed to express their opinion, regardless of what it is.

Once they move to substantive support such as donating money or volunteering for an organization dedicated to killing Americans (or Australians), they drift into what even the very restrictive US Constitution defines as treason.

IMHO.


5 posted on 07/14/2007 2:45:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: LibWhacker

The “human rights lawyers” are generally the same groups pushing laws that essentially make disapproval of homosexuality a “thought crime.” So now it’s the exact opposite position in order to support the terrorists. Evil scum.


6 posted on 07/14/2007 2:50:25 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: LibWhacker

When an individual knowingly communicates with a terrorist organization and offers support for future terrorist acts, it is no different than communicating with a criminal organization and offering support for future criminal acts.

It is commonly called “accessory before the fact”.

It does not matter if the crime has not yet been committed.


7 posted on 07/14/2007 2:56:53 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: SteveMcKing

The only right of terrorists should be a night of torture
for info, prior to their execution.


8 posted on 07/14/2007 2:57:25 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Sherman Logan
People should be allowed to express their opinion, regardless of what it is.

Express? Sure. And accept the consequences.

9 posted on 07/14/2007 2:59:05 PM PDT by don-o (End Freepathons forever. Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor)
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To: LibWhacker
Supporting terrorists now a 'thought crime'

Muslim logic.

It's a real crime.

That logic is plain stupid. If you limit guilt to just those carrying out the mass murder, why are there conspiracy laws?

If I perfct ways to rob banks efficiently, am I immune from prosecution if I never actually rob a bank?

Give me a break!

Supporting terrorists now Has Always Been a 'thought Conspiracy crime'

10 posted on 07/14/2007 3:02:13 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Yeah. Murder is a “thought crime,” too, because murderers think about it before doing it.

Issuing propaganda to aid and abet the enemy is an active crime against one’s own nation. It’s a tool for murdering one’s own people.

Anarchists (known by another, more popular label now) are as evil as their socialist friends.


11 posted on 07/14/2007 3:03:28 PM PDT by familyop
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To: LibWhacker
There are only 2 rules in war.

Rule #1: There are no rules.

Rule #2: See rule #1.

12 posted on 07/14/2007 3:03:34 PM PDT by fella ( newspapers used habitually to poison the public opinion)
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This is one "thought crime" I approve of. Any one who supports the blowing up of innocent men, women and children deserves the harshest punishment. Its one thing to disagree with government policy. Its another matter to openly support terrorist organizations in their war upon a free society.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 07/14/2007 3:12:09 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: traviskicks

Kinda interestin’


14 posted on 07/14/2007 3:13:17 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: LibWhacker

Ah geez.....already with the bleeding hearts, there hasn’t been a trial, and the so called Human Rights bar is chock a block full of wackos.


15 posted on 07/14/2007 3:14:23 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: goldstategop
This is one "thought crime" I approve of. Any one who supports the blowing up of innocent men, women and children deserves the harshest punishment. Its one thing to disagree with government policy. Its another matter to openly support terrorist organizations in their war upon a free society.

I am inclined to agree with you here. Terrorism is nothing more than the enemy of civilization. It's not a policy or a philosophy, but the worship of destruction couched in religious language.

Terrorism is a dead end path. If you want to oppose the goverment or support your ideals, write your congressman. Donate money. Vote. Start a blog. Whatever. But to support terrorism is to support violently dismantling the foundation of society, simply to achieve goals that free people would otherwise reject. It should be stamped out without a hint of remorse.

16 posted on 07/14/2007 3:20:38 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate" Ibn Warraq)
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To: LibWhacker
leaves thousands of people open to similar charges if they show even "a minute level of support to a terrorist organisation".

Haneef was charged after leaving his mobile phone SIM card with two cousins allegedly involved in the recent British car bomb attacks.

There is a very clear line between "thought" and "action".

17 posted on 07/14/2007 4:45:25 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Where do we go from here?)
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To: SteveMcKing

Not to worry, this is only for the precedent. Soon to follow, other thought crimes: opposing the concept that people should be unplugged, thereby depriving the state of transplantable organs...opposition to homosexuality...opposition to the murder of unborn babies.


18 posted on 07/14/2007 4:46:42 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Sherman Logan
People should be allowed to express their opinion, regardless of what it is.

I'm going to have to disagree. People expressing support for terrorist action, against the country in which they reside, should at the very least, be forced to leave that country.
19 posted on 07/14/2007 4:56:25 PM PDT by mutley
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>> “In other words, you can be convicted of what is essentially, in these examples, thought crimes...”

“Essentially” is a spin word.


20 posted on 07/14/2007 4:58:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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