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To: ROTB
You completely sidestepped the substance of why I believe.

What you believe for reasons of faith I will not dispute.

If you look at my posts, I tend to discuss claims that can be addressed by science. The global flood at 4350 years ago is one such claim; the age of the earth at 6000 years is another.

If you believe that there was a global flood because the bible says so, I will not dispute that claim. But if you bring forth some evidence that you claim to be scientific in support of that belief, you may expect that I will address that evidence and its scientific merits.

621 posted on 07/21/2007 9:06:52 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Can the claims of the Bible be addressed by history?

1) The Bible points to the birth date of Israel in 1948 from the words of Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.
2) The start year of the count is 606 BC. We know this because the Babylonians kept records of lunar and solar eclipses, and thus their histories can be calibrated to our modern calendar as “606 BC” (Please see the paragraph marked “Astronomical data in Babylonian texts” at http://www.direct.ca/trinity/exile.html
3) Just add up the number of days specified in the punishment, and you get “1948 AD”

Please see http://www.direct.ca/trinity/jerusalem.html for the details on the math.

So, to iterate my question to you in an expanded way, can we read Babylonian history, with their own records of lunar and solar eclipses, and correlate events in their history with the year we call 606 BC, and then take the words of Moses, Ezekiel, and Jeremiah, and then calculate the length of Israel’s punishment, and arrive at 1948 AD, and say that ...

1) man cannot say what happens thousands of years before it happens
2) we have just witnessed the Bible doing this, with calibration via eclipses from Babylonian history to our own calendar
3) the Bible is not the work of man, but the work of a being that transcends time

This is not a scientific proof. If you want scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God, please read “The Case for a Creator” by Lee Strobel. This is a proof that draws on our knowledge of non-biblical history, (the Babylonian texts), and tests the veracity of the word of God by taking it quite literally, and winding up with the precise year that Israel was born in 1948 AD. It definitely uses some math, and history though.

Furthermore Coyoteman ...

1) do you claim to possess all knowledge in the universe?
2) Could we be wildly generous and say that you possess 1% of all knowledge in the universe?
3) Could knowledge of the God of the Bible lie in that 99% of the universe you don’t know yet?


624 posted on 07/22/2007 6:36:18 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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