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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
The thing missing from some of the ToE arguments regarding the second law, is that it can't explain how life can develop without directed energy (energy guided by information) in a closed universe. Without significant "hand waving".

What part of evolution violates the 2nd Law of Themodynamics? The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics states that the decrease of entropy in a closed system must be exceeded by the increase in entropy of its environment.

Life, living systems, ecosystems, can decrease in entropy as long as their environments increase in entropy more than the system. The 2nd Law is not violated. What part of the evolution of life on earth, if any, (even hypothetically) requires a decrease in entropy of a closed system that exceeds the increase in entropy of its immediate environment?

233 posted on 07/14/2007 9:05:02 PM PDT by ok_now ((Huh?))
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To: ok_now
What part of evolution violates the 2nd Law of Themodynamics?

Evolution is a word that has many meanings. Dr. Bethe author of "Darwins Black Box" and a leader in the ID movement claims he believes in "evolution". As do I.

The word has so many meanings it has become almost useless. I use the word Darwinism to distinguish from the rather prosaic "evolution".

But when atheistic Darwinians like Richard Dawkins assert whether implicitly or explicitly that "God" or a "prime intelligence" is not required in the creation of the universe and all it contains then he indirectly by implication contradicts the second law.

The closed universe must decay to maximum entropy and any localized and/or temporal open systems require intelligently directed energy to decrease its entropy. Random bursts of undirected energy won't cut it.

269 posted on 07/14/2007 10:43:26 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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