[RKV]

Muurray’s point is a simple one. SAT doesn’t help predict college performance significantly, when the admissions process accounts for GPA and subject specific tests (e.g. AP, or SAT II). Its not economic to do three when two is equally predictive. I also was one of those who did extremely well on SATs, GREs’ etc. and the title of the article (from so capable an author) got my attention.

[Paladin2]

I’m guessing that there is a strong correlation between subject matter Achievement tests and SAT scores. I’d be all in favor of just using the AT as a cost saving measure. Of course , then there’d be those who would try to prove that the ATs were culturally biased and force revisions to provide more equal outcomes rendering them less useful.

[nmh]

“Muurray’s point is a simple one. SAT doesn’t help predict college performance significantly, when the admissions process accounts for GPA and subject specific tests (e.g. AP, or SAT II). Its not economic to do three when two is equally predictive. I also was one of those who did extremely well on SATs, GREs’ etc. and the title of the article (from so capable an author) got my attention.”

That’s his OPINION. A student can score well, get into college and party their arses off however that is NO reason to “abolish” an objective test that measures what a child KNOWS. It’s a silly reason to eliminate a test that’s purpose it designed to measure knowledge and compare it to what others know at that stage in life. It’s objective.

There is an old saying ... where you start out in life is not necessarily where you will end up. Having said that, the S.A.T. scores are not linked to economics or race. It’s objective If kids work hard, they will do well. What EFFORT you put into the lower grades, high school etc. is a pretty good pattern of how you will do in college and perhaps life.

What you put into it will be what you get out of it. Either you're motivated or you are not. There are always exceptions but by and large it’s pretty predictable and why it makes some folks nervous.

[Old North State]

There is one point in Murry's analysis that I find dubious, that of the SAT's predictive capability. The SAT has become less predictive because most college curricula have been expanded and dumbed down so far. A body above room room temperature can get a high GPA in some of these cooked up academic disciplines.
College admission is the prize in a competition for scarce resources so there will be winners and losers, period, so the selection criteria must be as objective as possible. If the SAT is abandoned I fear more use of subjective criteria like 'life circumstances', which are intellectually meaningless.

[Publius6961]

That is the biggest puzzler in this article, that Murray found NO disconnect with GPAs.
It is no secret that GPAs are notoriously fictitious. That's why the Universities insist on the SAT.

I wonder what happened to this guy?