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To: padre35
"Benedict has chosen a poor route to take in attempting to reconcile Protestants with the Church in Rome."

Why is it a "poor route"? Should Benedict continue the apostate 'protestantization' of the Catholic Church to appease them back into the fold? Is mediating and negotiating the Truth the way of Christ? This false ecumenism has been a ridiculous and disastrous position by the Church. Since Vatican II the Church has been devastated by shocking changes, a horrendous drop off in attendance, scandal after scandal. Church doors continue to be closed from coast to coast. The Church in Europe is almost non-existant, and the Church in America is not much better off. "By their fruits you will know them"; and the 'fruits' of Vat II and false ecumenism are rotting the Church to her foundation. The Truth needs to kiss nobody's feet to bring them to the Light, and Benedict knows this. The Church doors are not only open to Protestants who wish to convert, the Church pleads with them to do so. If they don't want the Truth, if they reject the Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, that's their problem, not ours.

Just as in John 6:66, when many of Jesus' followers were scandalized by his doctrine of literally eating and drinking of his flesh, and left Him, so go the Protestants. In my opinion, Pope Benedict is trying to bring them back by telling them the hard, cold facts.

18 posted on 07/13/2007 11:33:44 AM PDT by gemma0000 (They obscure the truth by calling it an issue of "immigration"-but it's an issue of LAW ENFORCEMENT.)
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To: gemma0000
If they don't want the Truth, if they reject the Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, that's their problem, not ours.

*sigh*

19 posted on 07/13/2007 11:35:48 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: gemma0000
There is a great quote by Peter Singer. He once said, "Sometimes I think that me and the Pope are the only ones that really understand what is going on."

I think that applies here. Secularism is dying but not yet dead. Catholics and Protestants can still go to the March for Life together or watch Europe curl up and die. But the false ecumenicism is damaging to both sides. It leads to univeralism. Either Protestants are going to hell, or Catholics have committed the sin of legalism.

22 posted on 07/13/2007 11:37:42 AM PDT by Jibaholic (http://www.gentlerespect.com)
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To: gemma0000

“Why is it a “poor route”? Should Benedict continue the apostate ‘protestantization’ of the Catholic Church to appease them back into the fold? Is mediating and negotiating the Truth the way of Christ? This false ecumenism has been a ridiculous and disastrous position by the Church. Since Vatican II the Church has been devastated by shocking changes, a horrendous drop off in attendance, scandal after scandal. Church doors continue to be closed from coast to coast. The Church in Europe is almost non-existant, and the Church in America is not much better off. “By their fruits you will know them”; and the ‘fruits’ of Vat II and false ecumenism are rotting the Church to her foundation. The Truth needs to kiss nobody’s feet to bring them to the Light, and Benedict knows this. The Church doors are not only open to Protestants who wish to convert, the Church pleads with them to do so. If they don’t want the Truth, if they reject the Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, that’s their problem, not ours.

Just as in John 6:66, when many of Jesus’ followers were scandalized by his doctrine of literally eating and drinking of his flesh, and left Him, so go the Protestants. In my opinion, Pope Benedict is trying to bring them back by telling them the hard, cold facts.”

And the Orthodox church can make the same claim. As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.


27 posted on 07/13/2007 11:43:30 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: gemma0000
Just as in John 6:66, when many of Jesus' followers were scandalized by his doctrine of literally eating and drinking of his flesh, and left Him, so go the Protestants. In my opinion, Pope Benedict is trying to bring them back by telling them the hard, cold facts.

A closer look at this passage not only shows us that some of Jesus' followers were scandalised by the idea that He was literally telling them to eat His flesh and drink His blood, but it ALSO tells us that those who understood His Words that way were misunderstanding what He said.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Jesus clearly states that His words were to be taken in a spiritual sense, not in a literal and fleshly sense.

32 posted on 07/13/2007 11:50:31 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: gemma0000
“his doctrine of literally eating and drinking of his flesh, and left Him, so go the Protestants.”

To be fair, what we were scandalized by was the perceived selling of forgiveness - not transubstantiation.

49 posted on 07/13/2007 12:05:19 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: gemma0000
President Bush receiving a blessing during Communion. He was respectful enough that he did not take communion, unlike another president who will remain nameless did in Africa.

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71 posted on 07/13/2007 12:54:40 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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