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To: expat_panama
Surprise, surprise.

Go to post #30 and click on the first link. You'll be taken to a very interesting page which will allow you to download the complete article - free of charge. I think it's complete because it's 14 pages long (pdf). Haven't had a chance to review it yet.

I don't know how I missed this. I remember clicking on this link and getting an abstract. The link, in my browser, was red, indicating that I had indeed visited it before.

290 posted on 07/11/2007 1:35:53 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry; cogitator
I read the paper (post 30). I don't see how the authors can be serious when looking at figure 4d showing the 10Be going down. That means less cosmic ray flux, fewer clouds, more warming. The authors argument seems to be that since there is no warming/cooling corresponding to the 11 year cycle, there must be no correlation at all. But clearly figure 4 shows there is a longer term correlation, whether it causal or not.

Also most serious AGW scientists say there is no change in cosmic ray flux, see here http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=42 for example.

Maybe I am missing something obvious in the paper cog?

297 posted on 07/11/2007 7:00:56 PM PDT by palmer
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To: liberallarry
download the complete article

We've got the whole analysis but just clicking here, thanks!  What I'm seeing as the core of the work is the Lockwood's correlations on the right.

Compare to my post 75

What Lockwood's using for air temp is "based primarily on meteorological station measurements (Hansen et al. 1999)" --and that can go a long way to explain why he's showing such an enormous spike in the last six years of the 20th century.  

Let's do our own peer review now, and this is where the layman is crucial --after all, most voters are laymen.  Lockwood failed to show solar flux numbers for that temp spike, but anyone who's ever used a thermometer before can make a judgment on the wisdom of saying how hot the earth is by looking at a few crowded cities.  My take is that satellite temps vs sunspots could tell us a lot more.

More importantly, as bad as we want to paint the solar/temp connection, consider how much worse the CO2/temp connection looks under this same scrutiny.

313 posted on 07/12/2007 1:29:59 PM PDT by expat_panama
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