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To: misterrob

I am not trying to start an argument, but why we are making Ramos and Compean heroes??

They not only broke the law, but also they made it impossible for Aldrete-Davila to ever be prosecuted.

What more can be said and what am I missing in the case?


11 posted on 07/10/2007 7:41:09 PM PDT by Perdogg (Support the President's Policy in Iraq)
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To: Perdogg

They are not heroes but Johnny Sutton is the guy who deserves a spit shoved up his ass. There are claims that they shot an unarmed man in the ass while he was running away and then covered it up. The evidence shows other angles. That Sutton gave a drug runner a free pass to testify against these guys is shamefull. They could have been suspended or even fired for their actions. Not thrown in jail with the same types of people who they tried to keep out of the US.


13 posted on 07/10/2007 7:52:09 PM PDT by misterrob ("I've never heard of anyone going on the disabled list with pulled fat." RIP Rod Beck)
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To: Perdogg

They’re heroes to me. I don’t give a flying sh*t about a mexican drug dealer or his wounded ass.Maybe if our border guards were allowed to use their own discreation to do their jobs instead of a bunch of political hacks ,trying to push GW’s North American Union, we wouldn’t be drowning in illegal drugs and immigrants like we are now !!!


44 posted on 07/11/2007 5:45:06 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Perdogg
If you read the transcript these two were trying to do their jobs and protect our border. The reason there wasn't more eye witnesses that could have shed more light on the incident is because at least one other border patrol agent was simply too lazy to chase the suspect on foot, and didn't even go and try and help after he heard shots were fired.

The whole case is based on the testimony of Aldrete-Davila, a man they know told a number of lies to prosecutors, which was a violation of the immunity agreement. Prosecutors could have chosen to prosecute him for either the original instance of drug smuggling because he violated the agreement, or for subsequently delivering another load of drugs, which the prosecutors were aware that he did, but did not let him know they had found out. The drug dealers that he was delivering the first load for apparently insisted that he deliver another load after the first one was lost to the Border Patrol.

The border patrol agents' crime was that they did not report that they fired shots at a fleeing suspect that they thought was armed, and in Ramos' case thought was firing on Compean.

Another agent also reported seeing a person they thought was the suspect getting into a car on the far side of the river, so this isn't a situation where they thought they killed him and left him for dead.

The failed to do their duty to report that the shots were fired. They should have been appropriately disciplined for that. They are not completely innocent, but there wasn't evidence to suggest that they had tried to murder the suspect, and evidence that would have undermined his testimony against the agents was kept from the jury.

There were of course other officers in the area that heard the shots, so this wasn't something that

So in a government organization that was apparently rather law in enforcing the law.

62 posted on 07/13/2007 7:11:47 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Perdogg
I am not trying to start an argument, but why we are making Ramos and Compean heroes??

Illegal, drug-running alien scumbag crosses border into US.
US Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean intercept said alien.
Illegal alien scumbag assaults Compean, and turns towards Ramos with an "object" in hand.
Ramos, with pistol already drawn and fearing for his own life, fires at said illegal alien scumbag, hitting the drug trafficker in the buttocks as he turns to flee back across the border into Mexico.

The result? Agent Ramos successfully staves off an invasion and attack on US soil (an act of war), forcing the enemy to retreat back to where he came from. THAT'S a hero in my book! I don't know about you, but that's more than I've ever done to protect our country from this illegal invasion. Truth be told, it saddens me that this doesn't happen more often. My only advice to US Border Patrol Agents: Take more target practice, and don't forget the shovels!

72 posted on 07/13/2007 10:27:48 AM PDT by Tarkus2040 ("Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about." --Barry Farber)
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To: Perdogg

“They not only broke the law, but also they made it impossible for Aldrete-Davila to ever be prosecuted.”

They did? Sounds like the prosecution lied. Besides, how can they have given Davila immunity?? If Davila got immunity he got it from the prosecutors.


73 posted on 07/13/2007 10:30:21 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Perdogg
Johnny Sutton is the villain in this case, along with the drug dealer. The minor infractions by Ramos and Compean should not even have caused them to lose their jobs. Ramos and Compean are not the only victims of Johnny Sutton who belongs in the same class as Mike Nifong - corrupt and evil.
76 posted on 07/13/2007 12:25:21 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Perdogg

Even if you are correct, the punishment was way too severe.


114 posted on 07/16/2007 7:21:14 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Perdogg

They wouldn’t be in prison if they hadn’t done things like pick up shell casings and toss them in the river and if they had reported the incident through proper channels. That’s probably all they had to do and they wouldn’t be in prison right now. I don’t have a problem with these guys defending theirselves. I can give them the benefit of a doubt for the judgment call, as I believe their superiors would have. It’s never been answered here as to why they felt they had to cover it up. Some feel none of the above matter as they guy was illegal and a drug runner so it should be open season. However, that’s not the law, right, wrong or indifferent.


124 posted on 07/21/2007 7:46:23 PM PDT by DaGman (`)
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