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These negotiations reassure North Korea they can have their weapons and their aid too: a perfect outcome from a North Korean point of view, a pretty good one from China's, and absolutely appalling from the point of view of the rest of the world.

But Bush will get a pet on the head by his dad and Condi will get A+ from CFR. Everybody will sing Gumbaya on the new-found realsim which (temporarily) reassured the safety of financial portfolios by bribing China and N. Kroea.

1 posted on 07/09/2007 7:37:00 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Bush suckered by China, ping!


2 posted on 07/09/2007 7:38:17 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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Hey jet latest on Chia Pet and North Korea


4 posted on 07/09/2007 8:04:55 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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You know what? I think W is getting suckered almost as badly as JIMMY CARTER...!


5 posted on 07/09/2007 8:10:53 PM PDT by gaijin
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IT IS OVER.

JULY 2007.

BUSH LOST.

KIM JONG-IL WON.

'NUFF SAID.

I so wash my hands of the Bush Administration. Particularly on this issue, if not the illegal immigration amnesty thingy.

7 posted on 07/09/2007 10:46:51 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Sad so many members of the World's Policeman--our fellow Americans--know little about their "beat")
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Anybody who says "Clinton seriously considered bombing the North Korean reactors" is engaged in fantasy.

Anybody who thinks that the dud of a test in October 2006 "jolted the Bush administration into relaunching Clinton-style diplomacy: direct face-to-face negotiations with North Korea." is engaged in fantasy - this simply didn't happen, State Dept insisted on the same terms it offered before the "test" as part of six-party talks. That has put pressure on China which is scared more than anybody of unstable Kim with his possible unstable future nuke experiments.

"Graham Allison, a nuclear expert who served as assistant secretary of defence in the Clinton administration" - oh, goody, where would this article be without relying on yet another Clinton administration expert?

"The North Korean regime survives courtesy of Chinese aid and protection. It is China that provides the North Korean regime with coal, food and credit. Without Chinese aid, the regime could not endure" - exactly! which is why six-party talks concentrated on China and ignored Kim's wishes of direct US-NoKo talks...

China supports North Korea because it dreads a North Korean collapse. The Chinese leaders know that such a collapse would unify the peninsula under a democratic government based in Seoul and aligned with the U.S. and Japan--for them, a terrifying outcome - another Frum's fantasy; based on reunification experience of Germany, it's more likely that unification will lead to some kind of more socialistic kind of government, with closer political and trade ties to China and even less reliable US partner than it is now, whether it is based in Seoul or not. This will only relieve China from worrying about and subsidizing her unstable neighbor and assure that Korean Peninsula and Japan will not "go nuclear" leaving fewer countries able to challenge them with that power in SE Asia. Korean unification, if not done on right terms, could be a very dangerous development for US and can reshape the map of our SE alliances.

"These negotiations reassure North Korea they can have their weapons and their aid too" - how? no progress - no aid... it's not a Clinton-Albright-UN deal.

"If this is "realism," what would fantasy look like?

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9 posted on 07/10/2007 10:21:56 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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