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BBC: US Iraq chief warns of long war ( General Petraeus -- 'Surge taking hold')
BBC ^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6285156.stm | BBC Staff

Posted on 07/09/2007 11:44:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 07/09/2007 11:47:16 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

US Iraq chief warns of long war

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Gen Petraeus took over as head of US forces in Iraq in January


The head of US forces in Iraq, Lt Gen David Petraeus, has told the BBC that fighting the insurgency is a "long term endeavour" which could take decades.

Speaking to the BBC's John Simpson in Baquba, Gen Petraeus said there was evidence that the recent troops surge was producing gains on the ground.

But he warned that US forces were engaged in a "tough fight" which will get "harder before it gets easier".

His comments come as US calls for a rapid troop withdrawal gather strength.

Gen Petraeus was keen to emphasise that the ongoing unrest in Iraq is not something he expects to be resolved overnight.

"Northern Ireland, I think, taught you that very well. My counterparts in your [British] forces really understand this kind of operation... It took a long time, decades," he said.

The question is how can we gradually reduce our forces so we reduce the strain on the army, on the nation and so forth

Gen Petraeus


"I don't know whether this will be decades, but the average counter insurgency is somewhere around a nine or a 10 year endeavour."

He went on to say that more important than the length of time it would take to stabilise Iraq was the number of US troops which would be required to remain in the country.

"I think the question is at what level... and really, the question is how can we gradually reduce our forces so we reduce the strain on the army, on the nation and so forth," he said.

He said everyone wanted the US forces to be able to leave, both Americans and Iraqis alike, but he said it was vital to ensure that "the gains that have been hard fought in places like Baquba and Ramadi could be sustained, maintained and even built on by Iraqi forces and Iraqi political leaders".

In the last few weeks US forces have captured two big insurgent centres, Ramadi and Baquba, which was the main stronghold of al-Qaeda.

'Surge taking hold'

Gen Petraeus attributes this success to the recent surge in combat troop numbers, under which some 30,000 extra US troops have been deployed in Iraq, saying that although much work still remains to be done "the surge is achieving progress on the ground".

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US forces recently made gains in the insurgent stronghold Baquba

"This comprehensive offensive that we have launched into al-Qaeda sanctuaries and locations where there are al-Qaeda affiliates is in fact showing effect," he said.

"In Baghdad for example, June was the lowest month for sectarian deaths in a year."

By contrast, April, May and June were the deadliest three months for US troops since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

About 3,600 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq since the conflict began.

Gen Petraeus insisted it was not yet possible to see the full effect the surge was having as it took until mid-June to get all of the additional troops and equipment on the ground.

"I think again we need to see where we are in September when we'll have had a couple of months of all of our forces. We are still in the first month of the surge of operations that is following now the surge of forces," he said.

Time running out

Gen Petraeus is due to return to Washington in September to report on the campaign's progress.

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However, correspondents say the clock in Washington is running fast.

In recent days four Republican senators have withdrawn support for President George W Bush's Iraq strategy, adding their voice to a growing number calling for a new plan.

And this week will see a contentious debate in the US Senate over a major defence spending bill.

On Sunday the Pentagon announced that US Defence Secretary Robert Gates was cancelling a planned Latin American tour in order to focus on the upcoming clash.

According to BBC world affairs editor John Simpson, the debate is moving so fast in Washington that Gen Petraeus's efforts, which might have saved the day for the Bush administration if they had been introduced three, or even two, years ago, may well have come too late.




TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqueda; iran; iraq; oif; progress; surge
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1 posted on 07/09/2007 11:44:31 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; onyx; ...

This will get Harry and Nancy excited....


2 posted on 07/09/2007 11:45:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This will get Harry and Nancy excited....

They'll both be foaming at the mouth...

3 posted on 07/09/2007 11:48:58 AM PDT by Allegra (Carbon offsets for sale. Inquire within.)
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To: All
See BBC Website for video and links....

Related thread:

US report warns of Iraq 'peril' ~ a quick US withdrawal would have dangerous consequences.

A BBC thread from Feb 2007.

4 posted on 07/09/2007 11:49:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...
"Northern Ireland, I think, taught you that very well. My counterparts in your [British] forces really understand this kind of operation... It took a long time, decades," he said.
Well, that was a brilliant analogy to make. :'( Thanks E.
5 posted on 07/09/2007 11:49:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Monday, July 9, 2007.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks,...I forgot to check for the Getty Images....


6 posted on 07/09/2007 11:52:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well...he is giving the facts ...and anyway:

Iraqi FM: Turkey Massing 140,000 Troops

Near the iraqi border.....

Earlier this year:

Iraqi PM Offers Turkey to Replace US Troops in Iraq with Own

7 posted on 07/09/2007 11:57:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Excellent discussion/debate on C-SPAN right now. They are about to go to questions from the audience:

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

02:00 PM EDT
1:30 (est.) LIVE
Forum
Assessing the Surge in Iraq
American Enterprise Institute
Pletka, Danielle Vice President, American Enterprise Institute, Foreign and Defense Policy Studies
Keane, John M. General (Ret.), U.S. Army
Kagan, Frederick W. Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute, Defense and Security Policy

The panelists discuss the progress of the surge strategy in Iraq and expectations for the weeks and months ahead.

General Jack Keane is a former acting Army chief of staff. James Miller is a defense analyst.


8 posted on 07/09/2007 11:58:44 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Allegra

Any booms in the night?


9 posted on 07/09/2007 11:58:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Didn’t the president tell us 4 years ago this fight would take generations? We supported him by a factor of 80% then, before we were against it.


10 posted on 07/09/2007 12:01:04 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Any booms in the night?

Haven't heard any tonight...not in my part of town, which is pretty much the center of it.

11 posted on 07/09/2007 12:03:21 PM PDT by Allegra (Carbon offsets for sale. Inquire within.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
But he warned that US forces were engaged in a "tough fight" which will get "harder before it gets easier".
12 posted on 07/09/2007 12:12:49 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Counter-insurgency (COIN) taking decades, or at least 9-10 years?

This is not news. Yes, Bush did say it would be a war that would last generations, and he was right. That it would be a COIN in Iraq was not known by anyone at the time -- but a) we would be fighting them somewhere at some point anyway, and b) wars never-ever-ever-ever go the way anyone on either side thinks it will. Which is again, not news.

The idea of an exit strategy is something just pinned on modern warfare by folks who know nothing about history or warfare to create the illusion that it was always a requirement before entering a war even though it never was. What was the exit strategy in December 1941? Or April 1861? It wasn't until 1943 that the Allies decided on unconditional surrender by Germany.

13 posted on 07/09/2007 12:21:43 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (The Blue and Gray had infinitely more in common than the Blue and Red. We're headed for Civil War.)
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To: pfflier

I don’t think he said the Iraq war would take generations,just the war against the terrorists. Some would say its one of the same. I don’t know. I was glad we went into iraq to take out saddam, but i have always maintained we should have left at that point and let a civil war ensue.

After living in that part of the world for twenty yrs of my life, I never understood how Bush could think any kind of democracy could take hold over there. in my opinion it is impossible. The very nature of Islam will not allow it.

i guess we willsee.


14 posted on 07/09/2007 12:31:10 PM PDT by mlbford2 (If you are going to make a hole, make it a big one.)
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To: leadpenny

Thanks....caught the ending....want to hear more....would highly recommend for everyone,...even fielded a question about the Turks massing on the border....


15 posted on 07/09/2007 12:44:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Glad you caught it. Keane, Miller and Kagan each gave about 15 minute opening statements. The questions were very informed. I’m sure C-SPAN will have it up on realplayer later.


16 posted on 07/09/2007 12:51:57 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: mlbford2

Twenty years!

I wish you had been in the audience at AEI this afternoon.


17 posted on 07/09/2007 12:54:59 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

There is more. Momentarily:

04:00 PM EDT
0:45 (est.) LIVE
Congressional News Conference
Situation in Iraq
U.S. Capitol, Senate Radio TV Gallery
Reed, Jack U.S. Senator, D-RI

Senator Jack Reed, a member of the Armed Services Committee, talked about the security situation in Iraq and how the U.S. troop buildup is working. He was in Iraq from July 5-8, 2007, and met with American military commanders, diplomats, and senior Iraqi officials.


18 posted on 07/09/2007 12:58:52 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bill O'Reilly tonight pronounced that it is all over in Iraq. He joined the crowds of defeatists and he cannot be more wrong about his stupid conclusion. The problem with O'Reilly is that he does not understand that we are not in Iraq for the Iraqis we are there first and for all for our national security and that if we do not crush the terrorists there the consequences to the "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" will be worse than any nightmare we can imagine.
19 posted on 07/09/2007 5:33:56 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: mlbford2

TURKEY.


20 posted on 07/09/2007 5:35:26 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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