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>>I also agree with you on the employment enforcement. Making it illegal for business to hire anyone without a green card, and rigidly enforcing it with big fines, is an enormously important step. It would probably begin a massive self-deportation of illegals.<<

I agree, but forgers are making green cards, drivers licences, etc. so realistic that employers can’t detect them as forgeries. Suppose I am an employer and a guy with a dark complexion walks in, I check his Ids and they look OK. Are you going to put me in prison because I couldn’t tell that the guy’s green card was forged? Or “borrowed?”

If I just failed to check the ID, that’s different. I deserve at least a fine for negligence.

I think a big part of the problem is that Bush and Chertoff have been unwilling to demand better IDs and employer enforcement laws. They wanted to roll those proposals in with amnesty.

I don’t think the problem is that we “can’t” enforce employment of illegals, but too many of our “leaders” do not want to do what it takes.

"Suppose I am an employer and a guy with a dark complexion walks in, I check his Ids and they look OK. Are you going to put me in prison because I couldn’t tell that the guy’s green card was forged?"

No, I wouldn't. But if, on the other hand, you just so happen to have made about 25 simliar "mistakes" with your employees, claiming that they all had these 'masterpiece, genuine-appearing' green cards, then I'd fine your business a nice, big, fat fine; one that hurts. Then I'd warn you that if there is a similar situation in the future the fine will be ten times heavier. We are dealing with a national security problem, it shouldn't be taken lightly. If the business has any doubts whatsoever about the man seeking employment with them, they could simply notify INS or ICE for verification of that man. If the government agency fails fails to act on their request, then the business should be protected from prosecution.

Anyway, the real point in all of this is that once the businesses who hire these folks feel that the government might be coming down on them hard, they will begin to police themselves and will scrutinize the ID of prospective employees more closely. I cannot believe that business owners all over America are being "duped" by 20 million illegals with fake cards. That' pure b.s.