THE AMNESTY MONSTER: FED BY ALIEN SYMPATHY (rule of law must prevail)

NY POST ^ | July 9, 2007 | VOX POPULI

[Liz]

If we fail to abide by our bedrock principle, we become a society of arbitrary and capricious actions. When we make exceptions to one set of laws, we will make exceptions to others, and anarchy and social disintegration will follow. NAME REDACTED Manhattan

[Liz]

An important point to ponder-----not only did we, the people, slaughter the amnesty atrocity, BUT we also beat back the Mexican government (which was heavily invested in amnesty).

WE hold the winning cards, so we get to decide the rules of the game. WE DEMAND that Mexico stop aiding and abetting the invasion..........or else.

It's an outrage that US citizens are socked with the costs of subsidizing illegal Mexico's citizens, and are forced to put-up a multi-billion dollar fence, and hire law enforcement to keep these invaders off our land.

We get all the grief AND the bills---Mexico gets off scot-free. That has to end.

Keep in mind that the US (that's us, the taxpayers) provides the nuclear defense umbrella to protect Mexico, so that Mexico has no real defense expenses. We need to let Mexico know that we will cut off every penny in US aid unless they do something about border security.

Mexico can well-afford it. Mexico is a wealthy oil-producing neighbor and has eleven "Forbes" billionaires, more than all but eight other nations. Mexico has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires. It's telecommunications king---Carlos Slim has displaced Bill Gates as the world's richest man.

According to a CNN report, Mexico sits on oil reserves worth about $400 billion, but Mexico's state-owned oil company, Pemex, doesn't have the investment funds to tap those reserves, and Mexico's Congress refuses to allow foreign investment in Pemex. Some observers say this is due to Mexican gov't corruption, and the obsession to line their own pockets.

Adding insult to injury American taxpayers are subsidizing foreign aid transfers to Mexico from its lettuce pickers and hamburger flippers here. The percentage corrupt Mexican politicans are getting from this $30-40 billion bundle must be considerable (or else it would be stopped). America should mandate proof for all cash transfers out of the US and/or force all transferring agencies -- banks, credit unions, Amex, Western Union to collect a substantial withholding tax -- 50%, say -- on every unexplained foreign remittance.

The government of Mexico---with all of its oil revenue----needs to be pitching in to protect the borders (AND taking care of its own people, not "outsourcing' them as wards of American taxpayers).

[Darkwolf377]

If we fail to abide by our bedrock principle, we become a society of arbitrary and capricious actions. When we make exceptions to one set of laws, we will make exceptions to others, and anarchy and social disintegration will follow. NAME REDACTED Manhattan

Name Redacted is my personal hero of the day!

[Darkwolf377]

We need to let Mexico know that we will cut off every penny in US aid unless they do something about border security.

I like Bush more than many FReepers but he's been SO overly deferential to Mexico from day one that it's disgusting.

I hope Fred Thompson comes out very strongly that should he become President things will be very different with that hostile nation to our immediate south.

[gridlock]

If an industry requires below market rate labor to operate in the United States, wouldn’t it be better all around for it not to operate in the United States? If the labor costs of picking lettuce is so darn high, why shouldn’t we just grow our lettuce elsewhere?

[2ndDivisionVet]

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

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White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

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Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
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Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!

Republican National Committee
310 First Street, SE Washington, D.C. 20003
phone: 202.863.8500 | fax: 202.863.8820 | e-mail: info@gop.com

Take a look at their hidden agenda: http://www.mexica-movement.org

[Fraxinus]

One of the things that most annoyed me about the immigration debate was the MSM’s disingiousness about why the opponents were claiming it was amnesty. The problem was not the path to citizenship (clean up of problematic cases would probably be best solved by shortcuts to citizenship), it was the green card for free.

[singfreedom]

I recently read that Bill Gates, Mr. Microsoft, was surpassed in wealth by some Mexican. Let these “Forbes’ certified” Mexican BILLIONAIRES take care of their countrymen. Its not OUR job!! I am really getting tired of Mexico playing the offended, injured, second class, “little brother” role.

They have NEVER been our friends. Even during WWII they obstructed our efforts to fight the war. All the while, they pretended to be neutral. We REALLY don’t need “friends” like Mexico.

[David Isaac]

“I hope Fred Thompson comes out very strongly...”

Problem here, is the word “hope”. What has Fred said about deporting the illegals? I believe he said that such a thing was not possible. If you do not deport them, what is the other choice, amnesty perhaps?

Conservatives have invested vast amounts of hope in GOP candidates (Bush included) and have been seriously disappointed. There are, however, a couple of candidates that are very serious about the illegal alien issue.

The Democrats have a very good reason to want amnesty, it is called VOTES. With the election margins that we currently have, this (very large) straw will most surely break the camel’s back.

[Darkwolf377]

What has Fred said about deporting the illegals? I believe he said that such a thing was not possible. If you do not deport them, what is the other choice, amnesty perhaps?

Deporting tens of millions of illegals is never, ever going to happen, no matter who is president.

[David Isaac]

I had better become immersed in Spanish language classes, in that case. America, as a culture, is going to take a very large turn.

I did forget the Reagan Administration as part of the problem, the first amnesty, as it were. Of course it is difficult to say what influence was wielded by Bush Sr. (Vice-President) and his henchman, James Baker.

The “selling down the river” is almost complete.

I still have one question though, Why could we not deport approximately ten million illegals, we built the Hoover Dam? Though, I believe your estimate of “tens” of millions, may be (or soon will be) closer. In the summer, there are perhaps a million idle school-busses. I, for one, would be perfectly willing to donate a little time and gas-money to the cause.

But that would mean nothing without very tight border ennforcement, which few seem willing to adopt.

I am sure as hell glad I do not have any more kids and grandkids than I do. Of course, I can always “hope” that someday in the distant future, those grandkids will be part of another American Revolution. But I do not hold much hope in that idea. That would require a population that had some idea of the concepts of freedom and self-defence, neither one of which seems to be in vogue, in public education, the media, and Washington (Dems for sure, and a few select Republicans, especially the ones in high office).

[panthermom]

Mexico has more billionaires than Switzerland. What a waste of all of the natural resources. The biggest joke about Mexico is that they are a friend to the U.S., ha! They vote against us in the U.N. and they import all of their undesirables for us to take care of. When you think of their government practices and we truly stood by our principals, we shouldn’t be giving Mexico the time of day until they clean up their mess.

[panthermom]

I am so sick and tired of the argument that we “cannot” deport the millions here. BS! Enforce the laws and they will self deport. Enough with the free healthcare, start throwing people in jail for fake documents, and take their assets, somebody, anybody, take the anchor baby issue back to the Supreme Court, quit giving them driver’s licenses, no more WIC and foodstamps, and no more education unless you show proof of either being legal or a citizen. Hell, I have to show mounds of proof of who I am all the time! They’ll leave when the perks and safety nets are gone.

[preacher]

Enforcing laws against employers hirng illegals would encourage illegals to leave on their own.

[Guenevere]

bttt

[vietvet67]

Here’s hoping that states continue to pass their own immigration laws and self deportation reduces the number of illegals.

[Liz]

Bill Gates of Microsoft, was surpassed in wealth and displaced as Number One billionaire by telecommunications king-—Carlos Slim (who owns Telemundo and all those Hispano channels on your cable system THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR SO ILLEGALS CAN ENJOY SPANISH LANGUAGE TV).

[Liz]

The Unvarnished Immigration Debate; Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers

5/22/05
Mexico is Rich- Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers
By Brenda Walker / Limits to Growth
FR POSTED http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608417/posts

Mexican telecom billionaire Carlos Slim (displaced Bill Gates as Number One billionaire)

Certainly there are many poor people in Mexico, since perhaps half the country lives in poverty. However, the nation as a whole is quite rich — see the documented facts listed below — and could well finance the sort of improvements in education and infrastructure that would better the living standards of all Mexicans.

But the Mexican ultra-rich, like telecommunications magnate Carlos Slim (shown here), don't like to tax themselves for investment the country badly needs for infrastructure and education, and it helps them greatly that the American taxpayer has been forced to support Mexicans living in the United States.

Forbes list of billionaires published in 2006 showed Carlos Slim moving up to the number three spot among the world's richest men (Slim is now number one).

Every dollar spent in U.S. taxes for social services for illegal aliens frees up additional cash to be sent south as part of the annual remittances which provided $20 billion in 2005 (and in 2007 now approximates $30-35 billion).

According to the CNN news show Lou Dobbs Tonight (3/21/05), "Remittances, as they're called, are expected to become Mexico's primary source of income this year, surpassing the amount of money that Mexico makes on oil exports for the first time ever." So when el Presidente Vicente Fox complains that the "dignity" of Mexicans living illegally in America requires that they receive free healthcare on the U.S. taxpayer's dime, he is really talking about increased remittances to keep their whole corrupt system afloat. Consider these relevent facts:

• Mexico has the second-highest highest Gross Domestic Product in Latin America, after being #1 for several years over second-place Brazil.

• When measured in GDP per capita, Mexico ranks #1 as of 2005, ahead of Chile and Venezuela.

• According to Forbes magazine, a substantial proportion of Latin American billionaires, 10 out of 26, were Mexican as of 2005.

• Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country, just 12 percent which is one reason why the nation's wealth is not better utilized. By comparison, the United States takes in 25-28 percent of its gross domestic profit in taxes. Even Brazil taxes itself at twice the Mexican rate.

• Economist Gary Hufbauer of the Institute for International Economics has remarked, "It's up to Mexico to solve its problem, and basically the wealthy classes do not want to tax themselves, period. While I'm not usually an advocate for larger government, Mexico is a country where public investment, done wisely, could pay huge dividends."

• Mexico expert Prof. George Grayson of William and Mary College calls Mexico an "immensely wealthy nation."

• Mexico's economy is the world's tenth largest.

• When the ruling party needed a hefty sum for the 1994 election, Presidente Salinas leaned on a group of rich businessmen to write $25 million checks each at an infamous dinner party, where contributions totaled a staggering $750 million by evening's end. Compare that with the measly $150 million campaign chest in spring 2004 that President Bush had accumulated after three years in office.

• Freedom House notes the cost of corruption: "According a recent study by the Mexico chapter of Transparency International, some $2.3 billion-approximately 1 percent-of the country's economic production goes to officials in bribes, with the poorest families paying nearly 14 percent of their income in bribes."

• Ricas y Famosas — Rich and Famous is a book of photos that takes a peek at the hidden world of the Mexican ultra-rich. Photographer Daniela Rossell used her membership in the exclusive club to reveal the decadent lifestyles of blonde women in gold lamé. It is a shocking view of the most extreme ostentatious wealth among great poverty.

• Sure Things in Mexico: Death, Taxes and Evasion According the recent rankings released from the IMD International, the Switzerland-based International Institute for Management Development placed Mexico at 56 out of 60 economies examined, largely because of a dearth of investment in everything from infrastructure to education. Due to its pathetic tax collection, Mexico cannot even buy schoolbooks or pay its police enough to live on, much less invest in its future.

• Lou Dobbs Tonight Transcript (12/16/04) The CNN news show shines a light on Mexican wealth. Particularly noteworthy is Prof. Grayson's remark: "There is a small economic elite who live like maharajas, and there's a political elite that protects them. Our border provides an escape valve which really lets the Mexican political and economic elite off the hook in terms of providing opportunities for their own people."

• While US Focuses on Iraq, Mexico is Collapsing June, 2005, and the symptoms of Mexico's failure as a state are accumulating. The recent takeover of border city Nuevo Laredo by the Mexican army because of the breakdown in law and order was so obvious.

Interestingly, Defense chief Donald Rumsfeld is guided by a secret Pentagon report which identifies Mexico as a potential failed state in the making.

For more, read "Mexico's Rich Don't Like To Pay Taxes — They Think You Should." -30-

[Liz]

The thing that annoyed me is that very few mentioned that anti-amnesty was a rare consensus issue——all sides of the political spectrum opposed it-—that’s why it got defeated.

[McGavin999]

If the labor costs of picking lettuce is so darn high, why shouldn’t we just grow our lettuce elsewhere?

I have absolutely NO problem with farm workers coming into the country on work permits to pick crops. However, they should be returned to their country immediately following the harvest and not allowed back into the country until another farmer somewhere requests farm workers. The farmers should be held responsible for reporting to the government if some worker doesn't show up for work or doesn't return to his country. All funds transfers from this country to another should be heavily taxed unless the sender can prove he/she is an American citizen.

[Graymatter]

If you do not deport them, what is the other choice, amnesty perhaps?

You take away the incentives to come here and to stay here.
Don't support them, don't protect them, don't hire them, don't give them tuition and tax breaks, don't encourage them.
I'd also like to see a law that addresses the additional crime of illegal entry, when an illegal has been convicted of a felony. For example, if he is found guilty of homicide, and he was here illegally when he committed the crime, he should be prosecuted additionally for that. With, of course, the option of deportation.
Deportation not only removes the offender, it becomes a factor in the considerations of every would-be invader. They have to go to some trouble to get into the US. If we get serious about deporting illegals, they will have to weigh that risk against the benefits. More risk, less benefits...fewer illegals.