Posted on 07/08/2007 5:15:15 PM PDT by Reaganesque
Only those who volunteered to fight hand to hand with slavers in Kansas can claim the moral highground.
“1896: Martha Hughes Cannon ran for Utah State Senate on the Democratic ticket, and defeated her own husband who was running for the same seat as a Republican. She became the first woman in American history to serve as a state senator.”
You go, girl!
Just so that we are clear: Reaganesque did not claim that he was personally persecuted. He simply pointed out the historical fact that Mormons were persecuted in the Nineteenth Century.
You might also have noted that it took just 20 posts for someone to use the term "con man" in reference to Joseph Smith. That was followed by such measured and dispassionate descriptions as "delusional pathological liar," "a foundation of lies and deceit," and so on.
Religious bigotry is never a pretty sight.
Gladys Knight is a Mormon. Are you prepared to call her a “fool” to her face?
“DEAR SIR: —This place (Kirtland) having recently been visited by a gentleman who advocated the principles or doctrines of those who are called ABOLITIONISTS, and his presence having created an interest in that subject, if you deem the following reflections of any service, or think they will have a tendency to correct the opinions of the Southern public,...you are at liberty to give them publicity... I FEAR that the sound might go out, that 'an Abolitionist' had held forth several times to this community,...all, except a very few, attended to their own vocations, and left the gentleman to hold forth his own arguments to nearly naked walls. I am aware that many, who PROFESS to preach the Gospel, complain against their brethren of the same faith, who reside in the South, and are ready to withdraw the hand of fellowship, because they will not renounce the principle of slavery, and raise their voice against every thing of the kind. This must be a tender point, and one which should call forth the candid reflections of all men, and more especially before they advance in an opposition calculated to lay waste the fair states of the South, and let loose upon the world a community of people, who might, peradventure, OVERRUN OUR COUNTRY, AND VIOLATE THE MOST SACRED PRINCIPLES OF HUMAN SOCIETY, CHASTITY AND VIRTUE.... I do not believe that the people of the North have any more right to say that the South shall not hold slaves, than the South have to say the North shall. “How any community can ever be excited with the CHATTER of such persons, boys and others, who are too indolent to obtain their living by honest industry, and are incapable of pursuing any occupation of a professional nature, is unaccountable to me; and when I see persons in the free states, signing documents against slavery, it is no less, in my mind, than an army of influence, and a DECLARATION OF HOSTILITIES, against the people of the South. What course can sooner divide our union? “After having expressed myself so freely upon this subject, I do not doubt, but those who have been forward in raising their voices against the South, will cry out against me as being uncharitable, unfeeling, unkind, and wholly unacquainted with the Gospel of Christ....the first mention we have of SLAVERY is found in the Holy Bible,... And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the DECREE OF JEHOVAH, to the shame and confusion of all who HAVE CRIED OUT against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in SERVITUDE.... I can say, the CURSE IS NOT YET TAKEN OFF FROM THE SONS OF CANAAN, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who INTERFERE THE LEAST WITH THE PURPOSES OF GOD in this matter, will come under the LEAST CONDEMNATION BEFORE HIM; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the DECREES OF THE LORD, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do his own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.”
(History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Vol. 2, pages 436-438)
More from the Mormon newspaper Messenger and Advocate:
“Where can be the common sense of any wishing to see the slaves of the south set at liberty,... Such a thing could not take place without corrupting all civil and wholesome society, of both the north and the south! Let the BLACKS of the south be free, and our community is overrun with paupers, and a reckless mass of human beings, uncultivated, untaught and unaccustomed to provide for themselves the necessaries of life— endangering the chastity of every female who might by chance be found in our streets—our prisons filled with convicts, and the HANG-MAN WEARIED with executing the functions of his office! This must unavoidably be the case, every rational man must admit, who has ever travelled in the slave states, or we must open our houses unfold our arms, and bid these DEGRADED AND DEGRADING sons of Canaan, a hear[t]y welcome and a free admittance to all we possess! A society of this nature, to us, is so intolerably DEGRADING, that the bare reflection causes our feelings to recoil, and our hearts to revolt....the project of EMANSIPATION IS DESTRUCTIVE TO OUR GOVERNMENT, and the notion of amalgamation is devilish!— And insensible to feeling must be the heart, and low indeed must be the mind, that would consent for a moment, to see his fair daughter, his sister, or perhaps, his bosom companion, in the embrace of a NEGRO!...
(Messenger and Advocate, Vol. 2, pp. 299-301)
http://www.realmormonhistory.com/god&skin.htm
You know what. Joseph Smith predicted this kind of ill treatment - that his name would be known for good and evil. You are fulfilling prophesy by making fun of him and calling him names and I am fulfilling prophesy by saying he was a Prophet of God and worthy of respect in the same way Moses was. Oh, by the way, they made fun of Moses, too, and all of the Prophets, spit on them, and laughed them to scorn. (They did it to Jesus, too, and still do to this day.) You are in great company.
Mitt Romney is a good man with a great family.
We may not.
All I care about is the fact that this nutcase wants to be president.
You'll have to provide evidence, not just opinion.
“You are fulfilling prophesy by making fun of him and calling him names’
What name did I call him, sweetie?
Your cartoon, Sweetie. It was quite offensive to me. Be that as it may.
I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is my Savior and I love Him.
I called him no names.
As an atheist, I disdain all religions equally, but with great respect. Well, maybe not that last part.
Please excuse my bluntness but...what a retarded way to begin the discussion. You ask for the impossible - "everyone agreeing." So after we agree to the impossible, then anything goes. The two are mutually exclusive. And whether you feel that he is wrong for the GOP/America you give no rationale for the dirisive "nutcase" label.
In short you have brought no intention of honest debate but simply hyperbole.
I admire you for trying, but all these pinheads will never listen. OF course, they don’t ever say what denomination they belong to and why they think there church or denomination is the best one. I think it is very troubling that “conservatives” want to bash and trash a religion that is centered around Christ and even has the honesty to use his name in the name of the church. Not “baptist” or “nazarene” or whatever name that could be used for a sports team.
Lest no forget the 1857 Mountain Meadows Massacre
...but It doesn’t hurt the Indians who were also there in the eyes of many
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I guess Rudy and McCain will support the 2nd amendment?
[quote]You are fulfilling prophesy by making fun of him and calling him names and I am fulfilling prophesy by saying he was a Prophet of God and worthy of respect[/quote]
*raises hands and convulses like the “spirit” is coursing through me*
Ahhhh preeedict that some people will think I am mean for making fun of Mormons and other cult members.... yet, I feeeeels that some will think I am a prophet from God for having the guts to stand up and say so!!
Wow. That was easy. Maybe I should get a tax exemption for being a new “religion”?
...I love it when people seem to want to get mad at me and blame me because they are so simple minded that they joined the Mormon cult!
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Anyone who is as judgmental as you about what another person believes in as Gospel is a pompous, arrogant ass.
I don’t mind that you will not vote for or support a candidate. Do what you want but stop calling good people names.
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You are calling Saundra ‘simple minded’. I, for one, take offense. Stick your pinhead where the sun doesn’t shine. If you want to post comments on the religion in question, that’s one thing. But when you stoop to denigrate a fellow pro-lifer, you will be exposed for it and the moderator pinged.
You are calling Saundra ‘simple minded’. I, for one, take offense. Stick your pinhead where the sun doesn’t shine. If you want to post comments on the religion in question, that’s one thing. But when you stoop to denigrate a fellow pro-lifer, you will be exposed for it and the moderator pinged.And MHGinTN has pinged a moderator. Everybody drink and line up the next shot.
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