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To: Unknown Pundit

No flawed reasoning, just cold, hard facts. The tack the libertines take that somehow doing illegal and harmful substances doesn’t HURT anyone or is some Constitutional right is beyond ignorant, it’s anarchic. I will fight like hell against ever seeing these substances legalized.


40 posted on 07/09/2007 12:34:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“No flawed reasoning, just cold, hard facts. The tack the libertines take that somehow doing illegal and harmful substances doesn’t HURT anyone or is some Constitutional right is beyond ignorant, it’s anarchic. I will fight like hell against ever seeing these substances legalized.”

I’m going to skip your initial response to me since UnknownPundit did a fine job - I’ve been busy.

However, I’m not clear on what you’re talking about here. Alcohol and tobacco are both perfectly legal, and both widely recognized as more harmful than marijuana. Recent research shows smoking pot does not cause lung cancer - in fact it appears to have a preventative effect. Contrast that with cigarettes. Marijuana has never been shown to have any toxic effect whatever on the human body. If you’re still worried about health effects from smoking, it may be eaten.

Alcohol causes numerous fatalities each year, both on the road and during other activities. It also causes serious health problems since it is quite toxic. Liver failure is most common, but it can also contribute to a host of other health problems such as brain damage, heart disease and so on.

BOTH alcohol and tobacco have considerable halo effects in terms of affecting family members and others in the vicinity.

So, just to be clear, I’d like your assurance that you use neither of these substances (after all you’d be a huge hypocrite if you do), and that you’re equally committed to alcohol and tobacco prohibition. That way you at least have an ethically defensible position - however laughable.


41 posted on 07/09/2007 1:58:12 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: fieldmarshaldj; PreciousLiberty
No flawed reasoning, just cold, hard facts.

The cold, hard facts are that your friends are dead. They are dead because they abused drugs in some way that caused their death. The illegality of the drug(s) did not deter them. The WOD did not save them. They would be just as dead if the drugs they abused had been deemed legal. They are just as dead even though the drugs in question were deemed illegal. These are the cold, hard facts.

You point to your dead friends as a reason to continue the WOD, but the WOD didn't save them, they are dead in spite of the fact of the WOD's existence. The fact that you can't see the flaws in your logic are your problem, not mine.

The tack the libertines take that somehow doing illegal and harmful substances doesn’t HURT anyone or is some Constitutional right is beyond ignorant, it’s anarchic.

Please don't put words in people's mouths. I don't think anyone here has ever made the case that drug usage is risk free. We regularly make the case that shows folks like you typically over-estimating the risks of drug usage, especially with pot. As for the "anarchic" charge, the WOD causes more anarchy than legalization ever could. The WOD has led to violent black markets here and around the world, curruption of govt officials, has led the way in eroding constitutional protections, given criminal records to millions of non-violent citizens, increased the size and scope of the government, no-knock or knock and enter raids leading to death and/or injury to innocent citizens, affected banking privacy.... nice job....

45 posted on 07/10/2007 9:35:18 PM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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