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To: rottndog

rottndog, why was Greenland green? It certainly wasn’t because the ice shelf had melted. The study just mentioned shows the ice shelf has been around for half a million years. The reason is because Erik the Red was a great real estate agent. He figured out that persuading all his friends to migrate to “Freezingcoldiceshelfland” was hardly going to attract big buyers. :-)

Okay, I’m being slightly facetious (although there is a myth that Erik the Red did over-exagerate Greenland’s lushness). There was a warm medieval period back around 900 years ago. Climate does change naturally - the sun was warmer back then, it got colder during the 1800’s when the little ice age hit us, then got warmer in the early 20th century. The sun has been the major driver of temperature over the past 1000 years.

But the correlation between solar activity and temperature ended in 1975 when temperatures started rising - solar levels have been steady since the 1950’s. So the question isn’t ‘has climate changed naturally in the past?’ but ‘what’s causing global warming now?’ The usual suspects - solar variations, volcanoes, Milankovitch cycles - are conspicuously absent.


27 posted on 07/08/2007 5:12:42 PM PDT by John Cook (Correlating solar activity to global warming)
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To: John Cook
If I remember correctly, when scientists first started measuring the hole in the Ozone Layer they came to the conclusion that the hole was getting larger because of HCFC’s and CFC’s. The hole started to close and it appears it is a natural phenomenon producing variations in the layer. Scientists jumped to false conclusions and brought the Politicians and Journalists with them. The next thing you know you cannot purchase certain chemicals without a license, some chemicals like refrigerant 12 and others are outright banned via the Montreal Protocol and when the hole started closing these CFC's were categorized as chemicals that added to global warming instead of those that made the hole in the Ozone layer.

While the destruction of the environment is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, the people that preach to us are living the most opulent lifestyles that kings and tyrants from long ago could not even dream of. Their industries pollute and use massive amounts of energy and the cash they rake in comes directly from the cultures that burn oil and coal by the tanker load.

28 posted on 07/08/2007 5:40:22 PM PDT by Sawdring
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