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To: robertpaulsen

So, the right of self-defense cannot be taken away without individual due process, except that citizens decide which weapons weapons may be used and under what conditions? I’m paraphrasing there, but that should be pretty close.

This is absurd on its face because these issues are certainly not put to any sort of ballot. And make no mistake, self-defense is the real issue, not firearms. They are a proxy of sorts because they are singular and de facto the weapons of choice currently, there really isn’t any competition. Is it due process to prohibit citizens right of self-defense?


205 posted on 07/08/2007 6:29:38 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
"So, the right of self-defense cannot be taken away without individual due process, except that citizens decide which weapons weapons may be used and under what conditions? I’m paraphrasing there, but that should be pretty close"

It is.

"This is absurd on its face because these issues are certainly not put to any sort of ballot."

You mean, "mob rule"? No, they're not. In a representative republic, we elect representatives who pass these laws.

"Is it due process to prohibit citizens right of self-defense?"

You have the right to defend yourself. But what makes you think that you have the right to plant mines in your front yard or booby trap your front door or use a flamethrower to do so?

Look. If you want to live in a cabin above the tree line like some Jeremiah Johnson, I could give a FF what you do. Buy you come down off the mountain to live among society, you play by the rules of that society.

You have no inalienable right to defend yourself with a machine gun. Your state may protect your right to defend yourself with a weapon. If they do, they will define when and where and how that weapon may be used.

You shoot a bad guy in the back as he's running away from you, you may be arrested and thrown in jail. Dem's da rules.

217 posted on 07/08/2007 7:54:31 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Freedom4US; y'all
So, the right of self-defense cannot be taken away without individual due process, except that citizens decide which weapons may be used and under what conditions?
I'm paraphrasing there, but that should be pretty close.
This is absurd on its face because these issues are certainly not put to any sort of ballot. And make no mistake, self-defense is the real issue, not firearms.
They are a proxy of sorts because they are singular and de facto the weapons of choice currently, there really isn?t any competition. Is it due process to prohibit citizens right of self-defense?
Freedom4US


Well said.
Notice that once again we are treated to the 'majority rules' socialistic point of view in rebuttal, - claiming that the representatives who pass these laws have the power to prohibit mines, flamethrowers, machine guns, whatever.

Never mind that this power is specifically prohibited to States/Feds in the 2nd and in the 10th.

Socialist say you have the right to defend yourself, but what makes you think that you have the right to plant mines in your front yard or booby trap your front door or use a flamethrower to do so? If you want to live in a cabin above the tree line like some Jeremiah Johnson, I could give a FF what you do. Buy you come down off the mountain to live among society, you play by the rules of that society.

[Never mind that constitutional rules are being infringed by your representatives in the name of 'society']

Communitarian's say you have no inalienable right to defend yourself with a machine gun. Your state may protect your right to defend yourself with a weapon. If they do, they will define when and where and how that weapon may be used. You shoot a bad guy in the back as he's running away from you, you may be arrested and thrown in jail. Dem's da rules.

Never mind dat many of 'da rules' are blatant violations of our individual rights.

-- Or that States have no power to define when and where and how what weapon may be used to protect your right to defend yourself.

Listen to the socialist's who don't give a "FF" that your State is obligated to support/defend a Republican Form of Government.

225 posted on 07/08/2007 10:09:51 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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