Super-Eruption: No Problem (Toba)

Nature ^ | 7-6-2007 | Katherine Sanderson

[blam]

The 80,000 year-old 'Hobbits' on Flores survived the eruption however, the ash was going away from them.

[blam]

GGG & Catastrophism Ping.

Late Pleostocene Human Population Bottlenecks. . . (Toba)

[ClearCase_guy]

"Yeah. A super-volcano. We handled it, OK?"

[wastedyears]

Bahahaaaha!

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I have been to the Pleistocene and returned to tell the tale.

[SunkenCiv]

This is the first archaeological evidence associated with the Toba super eruption, says Petraglia, and it contradicts theories that the eruption had a catastrophic effect on the area that its ash blanketed... Petraglia thinks that modern humans -- rather than Neanderthals or other hominins -- are the only species that would have been able to persist through an event as dramatic as the Toba eruption. This theory will spur much debate, he admits, because modern humans were not thought to have reached India, from Africa, so long ago.

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[Dark Wing]

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[SunkenCiv]

Magma told me there'd be days like this.

The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

possibly of interest (Earthquake list).

[CarrotAndStick]

Assimilation

One skeleton that has led some researchers to claim that it shared Neanderthal and Cro-magnon features has been found at Lagar Velho in Portugal; it is uncertain whether this is in fact a hybrid of the two species, or simply an extreme individual of one or the other. This may suggest the two species may have interbred. The child skeleton does seem to be more robust than what we would expect for modern humans. However, most researchers think that it represents extreme variation within modern humans. Moreover, the skeleton is dated to about 24,000 years BP. Until recently, this implied that a hybrid population survived in the region for thousands of years. However, a Neanderthal population in Gibraltar dated to about the same time has recently been found. The dating evidence for this claim is debated, though. Claims for Neanderthal sites that were advanced in the past have in the end all been revised to pre-30 kyr*. It has also been speculated that these hybrid individuals could have been sterile.

* kyr = kiloyear.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/lagarvelho.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1871842,00.html

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/neandertals/gorhams_28000_date_2006.html

[SunkenCiv]

“It has also been speculated that these hybrid individuals could have been sterile.”

It’s just another manifestation (yet another) of the anti-Neandertal bias handed down from Virchow — “oh, well, no hybrids have ever been found that- what’s that? Hybrids have been found? Oh, well, they were probably sterile.” The same thing went on with Neander speech — first it was assumed they were mute and the lack of a hyoid bone given as the reason, then a Neandertal hyoid bone was identified so the reactionary response was that the presence of a hyoid bone wasn’t definitive... as Mad Magazine once opined, “You Just Can’t Win With A Bigot”.

No, I don’t think you’re a bigot, and thanks for posting that with the links!

[bd476]

From the article: "...A stash of ancient tools in India hints that life carried on as usual for humans living in the fall-out of a massive volcanic eruption 74,000 years ago..."

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[colorado tanker]

This doesn’t sound like enough to go on to start revising current thinking about Toba.

[blam]

The Neanderthal Theory
(Modern Human-Neanderthal Hybrid)

[CarrotAndStick]

Thanks!

[SunkenCiv]

:’) Ever tempted to ping with the message, “get ready to rummmmble!” ? ;’)

[SunkenCiv]

:’) There’s a new dentafrice which uses pumice from this eruption as a whitening agent...
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Yes, it’s called Toba Toothpaste...

okay, so, that really wasn’t worth the wait...

[miliantnutcase]

Heh, I’ve seen some alleged “modern” humans shopping at the grocery store that make me believe the whole Neanderthal cross breeding... These guys I saw made the Geico cave men look like cro-mags.

[SunkenCiv]

:’)