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To: Wombat101
Explain your logic, please?

While I agree with Pat on the issue of immigration, and his position that American corporate leaders are selling their country out for personal profit . . . .

You said it, right there: "corporate leaders are selling their country out for personal profit"

Supporting the appeasers of Hitler in Britain were the free-trading globalists, who wanted business as usual to continue and not be interrupted by a world war, and who believed that any reasonable leader would wish the same, including Hitler.

And they and the British political leaders believed all that stuff that Hitler told the people were just the usual nonsense you tell citizens to make them support you.

And German industrialists also believe this, which is why they bankrolled Hitler to power.

The free traders on both sides of the coming war, unwittingly did as much as anyone to bring on that war.

And in our time, when for the past 30+ years we should have been conserving energy and developing alternate means of energy, it was big business that kept us dependant on oil.

And now we've become embroiled even deeper in that can of worms known as the mideast.

94 posted on 07/04/2007 12:57:22 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

“Supporting the appeasers of Hitler in Britain were the free-trading globalists, who wanted business as usual to continue and not be interrupted by a world war, and who believed that any reasonable leader would wish the same, including Hitler.”

Ummm, go back and read your history; Churchill was screaming about Hitler...in 1936. As for British business interests, neither Conservatives nor Labourites knew what tho make of Hitler, but BOTH had a vested interest in assuring that business (the business of the British Empire, thayt is) were not interrupted by war. The Conservatives because they drew their dividends from the Empire, and Labour because the welfare of British trade unions depended on the British government to PREVENT free trade. The issue came up under Labour governments all through the 1920’s and 30’s, especially in regards to Egyptian cotton, Indian textiles an dgrain, and a host of other goods and commodities that would have put British enterprise out of business -— by undercutting prices. Neither party were anything remotely close to “free traders”.

“And they and the British political leaders believed all that stuff that Hitler told the people were just the usual nonsense you tell citizens to make them support you.”

Again, incorrect. Mein Kampf had been available in Britain almost as soon as it could be translated. Anyone with half a brain could see what Hitler was up to, and what that meant for Europe, and Britain, in particular. Many did. The problem was that the solution entailed a course the British government and nation could not fathom following in 1933-38; the possibility of war. All the nonsense about Hitler being acceptible to certain conservative elements because he was “anti-communist” applies to France much more than it does Britain. In fact, the Nazi economic system horrified British conservatives because it a) eliminated the concept of private property, and b) reduced the industrialist to a mere manager, beholden to the state.

Really!

“The free traders on both sides of the coming war, unwittingly did as much as anyone to bring on that war.”

Once again, the British Empire never practiced Free Trade and didn’t believe in it. If it ever did, it courted certain economic disaster, and it’s leaders knew this. Learn something about economics, please.

“And in our time, when for the past 30+ years we should have been conserving energy and developing alternate means of energy, it was big business that kept us dependant on oil.”

I should think the American CONSUMER has just as much to do with this. Gasoline has always been cheap in this country (in relation to the rest of the world) and Americans traditionally love to drive tanks (preferably with tail fins, and room for 73) that get about 8 feet to the gallon. Big Oil simply satisifies the public’s stated preferance for gasoline, and God forbid!, exercises it’s right to lobby Congress on it’s own behalf. Start looking in the mirror when you yack about “dependance on foreign oil” because it’s you, and me, and our neighbors who won’t give it up. If we would, and demanded alternatives, there would be a market for an alternate fuel. Again, study economics; one does not produce a product and then wait for demand, one identifies a demand and THEN produces a product.

“And now we’ve become embroiled even deeper in that can of worms known as the mideast.”

I guess Pat Buchannan forgot all about his former bosses (Nixon) arming of Israel, coddling of the Saudis, supporting the Shah of Iran, Kissenger’s secret missions to Pakistan, and a host of other things both big and small. I guess none of that entails “emroiling us even deeper” in the sh*tpile, huh?

But then again, Pat always seems to have a selective memory.


99 posted on 07/04/2007 8:11:11 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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