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And your point is? If you want to control the Republican party, then you'll have to do it the same way as the neo-cons and Christians: by organizing a governing majority within the party. Whining because you're on the losing side of an internal party power struggle is just that: Whining.

Good luck in your future efforts

Both Bush and Clinton have been triangulators. That means that they have coopted the best ideas of the other side and made them their own. After 15 years of centrist government the pols are fighting very intensely over trivia, but the public feels that they are ducking the big issues.

Gold sounds like a Christy Whitman RINO to me. But he yearns for Goldwater and Moyers encourages that. However, Goldwater lost.

I associate Moyers with LBJ, though he claims Kennedy and Civil Rights. He seems as angry as the netroot people, and I asked an associate why at a recent funeral for a TV man from that crowd. I can only believe that people like him yearn for their idealism because they compromised it to ruthless and venal men like Johnson. A good, decent man like Bush is a rebuke. A rock like Cheney would make the vacillators who lost Vietnam uncomfortable.

And your point is? If you want to control the Republican party, then you'll have to do it the same way as the neo-cons and Christians

I have no desire to "control" the Republican party. I'm through with politics, other than doing what I can to teach a new generation some of the fundamentals of liberty so they will be less inclined to look for government solutions for each and every social ill and disparity in tangible wealth.

When and if the Republican party comes back to its senses, I may reconsider.