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Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'
The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/30/2007 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 06/30/2007 4:36:50 PM PDT by 1066AD

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To: 1066AD

I’m not totally in the lone gunman camp but, even so, this report doesn’t pass the smell test. Eight seconds. 19 seconds. Quite a big difference there. Maybe the Italian stopwatches run too fast.


121 posted on 06/30/2007 6:50:54 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Global warming? Hell, in Texas, we just call that "summer".)
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To: Freedom4US
Well much is made that it cost “$12” or whatever. Not a “quality” weapon by any means.

Ain't inflation a bitch? I think the S&W revolver Oswald used to kill Officer Tippet cost about half that. And a ticket to the movie where he was arrested -- a ticket he didn't buy -- I'd be shocked if it were more than 25¢ for a matinee.

Now, if I had evil intent at that time, I'd be shopping for an M1 Garand. A damn near perfect weapon, being phased out and surplussed by the military, and Oswald would have already trained on it. A steady hand with an M-1 could make the motorcade shot with iron sights; the scope is just insurance.

I hate to say it, but Mrs. Kennedy probably said it best “A Shitty Little Communist”.

Someone, I forget who, nailed the point that the Holocaust made an intuitive sort of sense -- history's greatest crime committed by history's greatest gang of criminals. The reason so many conspiracy theories surround the Kennedy assassination is that it doesn't make that kind of sense. How could a crime that affected so many people be carried off by this lonely little pissant loser? There must be more to it. We have an emotional need for a bigger villain.

122 posted on 06/30/2007 6:51:55 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Mr. K

I’ve followed this for at least 30 years now. Always thought the same as you about the head shot.

However, I found Mark Furhman’s book “A Simple Act of Murder” to be highly compelling. He approached it from the perspective of a homicide detective arriving at the scene. He concluded Oswald acted alone.

The key to his theory is a rebuttal of the Warren Commission’s finding, quoted in the original story above, that the second shot missed.

Furhman nails it: 3 shots, 3 hits. Shot one, Kennedy’s neck. Shot 2, Connally’s wounds. Shot 3, Kennedy head shot. All Oswald.

He had experts fire the weapon, and they could do it in time.

This article from the UK is off track, bigtime.

I encourage everyone to read Furhman’s excellent book. He make it very simple and clears it all up, for me anyway.


123 posted on 06/30/2007 6:53:14 PM PDT by News Junkie (Faith and Reason)
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To: 1066AD

Are they aware that some bolt actions can actually hold a clip?


124 posted on 06/30/2007 6:57:51 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: PAR35

Exactly. So 2.3+2.3=4.6

Well within 8 seconds...


125 posted on 06/30/2007 6:59:32 PM PDT by Mpatl
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To: Finalapproach29er

The windshield, the passenger and Governor Connelly were all blocking Kennedy on the approach.

See for yourself:

http://www.earthcam.com/jfk/dealey_nojava.php


126 posted on 06/30/2007 7:01:28 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: 1066AD

This is probably not PC at all, but....I don’t care now.

It happened when I was in the 6th grade.

It’s over.


127 posted on 06/30/2007 7:02:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: JoeA

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about!!!! Oswald’s Shooting range records are available. You have HEARD that he was a poor shot and that his weapon was not sighted in. These two myths are parroted over and over again by conspiracy theorists. They are total B.S. Watch the History Channel’s special on the Kennedy assasination and you will see his actual range records and interviews with the ballisics experts who actually test fired his rifle. Both of your assertions are false.


128 posted on 06/30/2007 7:04:41 PM PDT by DCBurgess58 (We have a French knife in our back)
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To: 1066AD
fired three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 8.3 seconds.

The clock starts with the first shot. After the first shot, he had 8.3 seconds to fire two shots.

129 posted on 06/30/2007 7:04:52 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Exactly-what I just said!

Brilliant.


130 posted on 06/30/2007 7:05:42 PM PDT by Mpatl
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To: n230099
It's the returning to aimpoint 3 times and hitting a moving target that would be the challenge.

The target was esentially stationary since the limo was moving slowly away in-line with Oswalds line of fire.

131 posted on 06/30/2007 7:09:08 PM PDT by fso301
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To: 1066AD

That’s what’s been said all along. Oswald didn’t murder Kennedy.


132 posted on 06/30/2007 7:11:55 PM PDT by ilsalund (To Strive, To Seek, To Find And Not To Yield)
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To: 1066AD

At that distance, the impact of the final head shot would have been instantly seen in Oswald’s scope.

Then why would he have to eject the third shell if he did not need a fourth shot and every bone in his body said to beat feet.


133 posted on 06/30/2007 7:16:07 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: REDWOOD99

It took them 19 seconds to fire off three rounds. What did they do, take a siesta between rounds. Hell, I am not a rifleman, but even I could fire off three rounds from a bolt action rifle in 19 seconds, especially if I had it all propped up and aimed. What they are saying is after he fired the first round at 0 seconds, he would need to take an additional 19 seconds to fire off the next two.

Makes me ashamed to admit I am half Italian ancestry.


134 posted on 06/30/2007 7:16:35 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: ilsalund

“That’s what’s been said all along. Oswald didn’t murder Kennedy.”

Yeah! He “accidentally” shot him twice!


135 posted on 06/30/2007 7:18:01 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: MississippiMan
I'm not sniper material by a long shot, but I'm a pretty dang good shot through open sights. Crouching right there, the thought of making those shots with a pristine rifle, much less that clunker, looked WAY unlikely. WAY.

From a tree stand, I killed a running deer at about the same distance with 3 shots from a scoped WWII vintage Lee Enfield. Hit him twice; one hit was minor, the fatal shot entered about an inch from the tail and exited his chest.

136 posted on 06/30/2007 7:18:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Oztrich Boy
Perhaps if they let the gun load from the magazine instead of inserting each round into the chamber by hand they might get that time down a bit.

I don't think Oswald engaged and disengaged the safety between shots either

137 posted on 06/30/2007 7:21:26 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ReignOfError

That is from Posner writing in Case Closed.


138 posted on 06/30/2007 7:23:13 PM PDT by xp38
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To: CdMGuy

It had a 6 shot clip. I’m guessing that they manually reloaded after each shot. Still, it’s not a musket.


139 posted on 06/30/2007 7:23:44 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: stylin19a

No, no, no, you must be thinking of the French. Although, as you have probably figured out by now, the Eyetalians have just about the same sucess ratio as the Frenchies when it comes to won/lost war ratio.


140 posted on 06/30/2007 7:29:40 PM PDT by biff
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