[ChildOfThe60s]

This is a good example of how we lose debates because we let liberals define the terms. They have managed [deliberately] to make everyone, now matter how they enter this country, into an “immigrant”.

Fred said nothing derogatory about legal immigrants. And he said nothing derogatory about refugees per se. Just that Castro sneaks in spies representing themselves as refugees. Which he does, and we are damn fools if we deny it.

[the invisib1e hand]

This is a good example of how we lose debates because we let liberals define the terms.

I agree with this premise.

They have managed [deliberately] to make everyone, now matter how they enter this country, into an “immigrant”.

Everyone who isn't born here but comes here to live is an immigrant.

My point is that a very loud segment of so-called conservatives (who are probably just mercenary leftists in disguise) has inundated the debate -- especially on FR -- with biggotted sloganeering and has made all Latinos into "illegals" and frankly the practice is revolting.