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Police in Plantation, Florida, say ex-Marine within his rights to shoot armed robbers in Subway
South Florida Sun Sentinel ^ | 6/29/2007 | Akilah Johnson, Andrew Tran and Juan C. Ortega

Posted on 06/29/2007 6:11:33 AM PDT by Happy Valley Dude

Some are calling a former U.S. Marine a hero for shooting two men — killing one — during the botched robbery of a sandwich shop in Plantation. But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.

John Lovell had just finished dinner at about 11:15 p.m. Wednesday when, Plantation police say, two men armed with guns rushed inside a Subway shop and demanded cash. After robbing the store, the men turned to Lovell. They wanted his money, police said.

But like his attackers, Lovell was armed.

The retired military man opened fire, shooting dead Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale, and critically injuring Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale.

Lovell, 71, of Plantation, has a valid concealed weapons permit and is not expected to be charged in the shooting, said police spokesman Detective Robert Rettig. Gadson, however, faces multiple felony charges that could include murder, he said. Under Florida law, anyone who commits a felony such as armed robbery resulting in a death can be held accountable for the capital offense.

"He feared for his life," Rettig said of Lovell. "And if he's in fear for his life, then he has a right to defend himself, even if it means severe bodily injury or death."

Florida law gives people the right of "self-defense without the duty to retreat." That means individuals can use deadly force virtually anywhere to prevent death or serious injury.

Lovell could not be reached for comment despite calls and visits to his home.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2amendment; armedcitizen; banglist; concealedcarry; constitutionalright; marines; selfdefence; supportourtroops; veteran; veterans
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To: Happy Valley Dude
“But the men’s friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.”

They should have been killed as they were in the process of using guns to rob and kill their victims.

I say give the man a free cruse for doing what he should have done.

2 posted on 06/29/2007 6:15:48 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: Happy Valley Dude

She seems to have overlooked the fact that her son was in the act of committing an armed robbery.


3 posted on 06/29/2007 6:16:03 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: All

“But the men’s friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.”

Because the Marine didn’t walk into a Subway trying to rob people. Oh wait to a mope, robbery isn’t a crime. It’s a way of life.


4 posted on 06/29/2007 6:17:26 AM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Graduate of Archie Bunker's School of Conservatism. . . . [http://digitalfarmers.blogspot.com])
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To: Happy Valley Dude

The family of Arrindell are apparently too flaming stupid to express regret for the behavior of their felonious family member. The Rev. Jackson should be down to Florida soon to support these people in their cause.


5 posted on 06/29/2007 6:17:28 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Fred Thompson, '08-- imwithfred.com)
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To: Happy Valley Dude

Parents like that create children such as this.


6 posted on 06/29/2007 6:17:41 AM PDT by badpacifist (I'm touching the portal of infinite knowledge right now!)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
Florida law gives people the right of "self-defense without the duty to retreat."

Make my day.....
7 posted on 06/29/2007 6:18:02 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
Arrindell was struck twice — once in the head and once in the stomach — and collapsed. Officers found him face down, wearing sunglasses and a bandanna, with a gun near his left hand. Gadson was hit in the chest and ran from the store. Police dogs found him in the hedges of a nearby office building and bank.

Both men were taken to Broward General Medical Center, where Arrindell died and Gadson was in critical condition Thursday.

It's gonna be a good day, Tater.

8 posted on 06/29/2007 6:18:46 AM PDT by 300magnum (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. D.Webster)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
I didn't know Florida had a subway ... oh, Subway as in Jared, sandwich shops, that Subway. Nevermind /latella

WTG, retired (never ex) Marine!!!

9 posted on 06/29/2007 6:18:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.

I want to know how someone could have a family member hold a gun to an elderly veteran's face and rob him, and not feel too embarrassed to be related to the robber to open their mouths.

10 posted on 06/29/2007 6:19:38 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: Happy Valley Dude

Beat you to it Happy Dude

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858233/posts


11 posted on 06/29/2007 6:19:58 AM PDT by Patriot28 (1775-2006 Celebrating 231 years of excellence! Semper Fi my brothers!)
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To: Happy Valley Dude

No need for cyber justice on this.


12 posted on 06/29/2007 6:20:30 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Happy Valley Dude
Under Florida law, anyone who commits a felony such as armed robbery resulting in a death can be held accountable for the capital offense

yep, second degree murder in fact, not felony homicide as you'd hear in a Law & Order episode.

13 posted on 06/29/2007 6:20:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
Some are calling a former U.S. Marine a hero for shooting two men — killing one — during the botched robbery of a sandwich shop in Plantation. But the men's friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.

Because that's the law in Florida. I'm sure glad Texas just adopted the same standards for self defense as Florida.

14 posted on 06/29/2007 6:21:00 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: wideawake
I want to know how someone could have a family member hold a gun to an elderly veteran's face and rob him, and not feel too embarrassed to be related to the robber to open their mouths.

I would answer your question, but I would be labeled a racist and banned from the forum.
15 posted on 06/29/2007 6:23:57 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: YOUGOTIT

“But the men’s friends and family want to know how he could gun them down and not be charged.”

When you engage in violence, you forfeit many normal legal protections.

Any other stooopid questions?


16 posted on 06/29/2007 6:24:28 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: Happy Valley Dude
"No need to let something like that live."
~J. C. Adams~
“74-Year-Old Convenience Store Owner on Walker Fatally Shoots Would-Be Robber” by Samira Jafari. Associated Press, January 10, 2003.

DECATUR, Ga. (AP) - When 74-year-old J.C. Adams saw three would-be robbers walk into his convenience store, he grabbed his shotgun with one hand and balanced himself on his walker with the other. On a surveillance monitor, he saw two men and a woman hold up an employee at the cash register Thursday night. That's when Adams pushed his walker to the front of the store and confronted the armed suspects, killing one man and wounding the other. An employee held the woman until police arrived.

"No need to let something like that live," said Adams, who had been wounded in a May 2000 robbery attempt in which he killed another intruder.

In his 26 years as owner of the Pac A Sac, a convenience store in a middle-class suburb just off Lawrenceville Highway, Adams has been robbed 12 times. He keeps the shotgun nearby now as he watches the store monitors. The walker he uses because of a recent knee surgery.

17 posted on 06/29/2007 6:25:13 AM PDT by Savage Beast (If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
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To: Patriot28

This is an update.


18 posted on 06/29/2007 6:26:21 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
Idiots. Their children were committing crimes and threatened innocent lives. This case is open and shut self-defense. If you don't want to be a dead perp, don't commit the crime. Sheesh.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 06/29/2007 6:27:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Clara Lou
"The Rev. Jackson should be down to Florida"

Sorry he's busy raising money for the 'hooker' he gonna support thru her college days...........

20 posted on 06/29/2007 6:28:05 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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