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CA: The Farce About Ethanol... (Tom McClintock)
Citizens for the California Republic ^ | 06-26-2007 | Tom McClintock

Posted on 06/28/2007 8:53:45 PM PDT by calcowgirl

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1 posted on 06/28/2007 8:53:48 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Stupid laws for stupid people.


2 posted on 06/28/2007 8:55:20 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: stillonaroll; Right Cal Gal; whinecountry; Walkenfree; b9; antceecee; atomic_dog; AVNevis; ...
McClintock: Pulling the covers off, one issue at a time.

McClintock Ping List.
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list

3 posted on 06/28/2007 8:55:36 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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Oh, those lousy facts!


4 posted on 06/28/2007 8:56:41 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: calcowgirl

Sure wish we had voted this guy in instead of that asshat Ahhhhnold.


5 posted on 06/28/2007 9:02:21 PM PDT by calex59
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PEOPLE WOULD NOT LISTEN. WE WERE ALL ENAMORED WITH HIS CELEBRITY STATUS. I THINK PEOPLE WERE PRAYING FOR ANOTHER REAGAN. WHAT WE GOT WAS A SLIGHTLY CONSERVATIVE KENNEDY IN POWER.


6 posted on 06/28/2007 9:03:27 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.take the get)
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To: calcowgirl

The whole ethanol craze is just such a completely absurd farce, and it doesn’t take anything more potent than sixth grade math to prove it. It’s snake-oil elixir sold from a covered wagon by hucksters. The more you look at the numbers on ethanol, the less believable it is that it’s even a matter of serious discussion. Personally, I’m tired of hearing about it.

I haven’t heard this nonsense before; but the argument that ethanol will reduce carbon dioxide emissions must be some kind of test to see if anyone is actually listening with their brains engaged. All hydrocarbons produce carbon dioxide (or monoxide, which is generally taken to convert to dioxide in the atmosphere) and water when they are burned, it’s just that simple.


7 posted on 06/28/2007 9:05:59 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
All hydrocarbons produce carbon dioxide (or monoxide, which is generally taken to convert to dioxide in the atmosphere) and water when they are burned, it’s just that simple.

Sigh.

When plants, like corn, grow they take carbon out of the atmosphere. When the plant or its products are burned (or decay) that carbon returns to the atmosphere. Closed loop, no increase in carbon in the atmosphere.

The carbon in oil (or coal or gas) was stored there millions of years ago when the fossil fuels were formed. Burn it and you have increased the total carbon in the atmosphere.

They don't explain it well, but the company is right and Tom is wrong. On this point.

There are lots of other excellent reasons why ethanol is a dumb idea, but this isn't one of them.

8 posted on 06/28/2007 9:13:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: calcowgirl

Please add me to your McClintock Ping list. I need to be constantly reminded that although there is sufficient brain power available in California to fix the state, our citizens choose to run headlong for the cliff and elect dems and Ahnold.


9 posted on 06/28/2007 9:13:58 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: calcowgirl

Sorry, I didn’t read this. However, I sure as h#ll wish my Hennesy was $3.00 or $4.00 a gallon ;-)


10 posted on 06/28/2007 9:16:48 PM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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Sure wish we had voted this guy in instead of that asshat Ahhhhnold.

I'll never forgive CRP for their lack of support to Tom for Lt. Gov.

A term in that job and he would have had the visibility and name recognition to have slid into the Govs' seat when he termed out.

11 posted on 06/28/2007 9:17:24 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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Well, at least you commented. In Texas, that’s somethin’!


12 posted on 06/28/2007 9:18:54 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: calcowgirl

keep em coming...


13 posted on 06/28/2007 9:21:22 PM PDT by tubebender (Large reward for person offering leads to my missing tag lines...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Well said, m'friend. Now, there's nothing really wrong with ethanol as a mass mkt motor fuel. Well, except...

The chemistry doesn't work economically, the process requires vast subsidy for the fuel to be competitive with motor gasoline, the input we're using is entirely the wrong one, the mileage is crappy, the fact that we're using corn as the input is raising the prices of most other foods artificially and to no purpose, the chemical itself has enormous handling problems (can't be pipelined, for one thing, and requires diesel or gasoline just to be delivered), and, oh yes, ethanol inarguably produces more smog per unit volume than gasoline, when burned.

Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Sheesh. Well, it's only a matter of time before the sheeple figure all this out...but WHY do we have to wait, eh? Grrrr.

14 posted on 06/28/2007 9:21:48 PM PDT by SAJ
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Crap! I’m stil tryin’ to figure out if that’s an insult or not. Hmmm??????


15 posted on 06/28/2007 9:29:06 PM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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I guess you’re assuming no internal combustion engines were used to harvest or transport or process the corn or to pump the water needed to irrigate the corn or to deliver the ethanol to market. I don’t know what energy inputs are required to grow the kinds of giant amounts or corn that would be required for this whole idiocy; and it wouldn’t be the only case where once-removed energy inputs are just totally ignored. (Eg; electric cars allegedly having zero emissions; but let’s ignore the coal-fired power-plant emissions...solar cells not generating considerable amounts of toxic by-products like any other semiconductor)


16 posted on 06/28/2007 9:35:44 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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Ha! The only thing that’s inarguable is that it’d sure be better to make the $$ selling the snake oil (while the getting’s good = while the gov’t subsidizes corn) than to know the reality.

When you say ethanol can’t be pipelined, I assume you mean thru the same pipes that currently carry petroleum?


17 posted on 06/28/2007 9:47:29 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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To: calcowgirl

Thank you.


18 posted on 06/28/2007 9:47:41 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Yes, I should have been more specific, sorry. Ethanol will pipe just fine...if you build a separate pipe network for it (gag me with a shovel).


19 posted on 06/28/2007 9:50:04 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: calcowgirl

Meanwhile, the price of everything connected with corn is going through the roof. This is stupid beyond even stupid.


20 posted on 06/28/2007 9:52:12 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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