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To: lentulusgracchus
Yours is an extremely interesting post.

"They haven't yet got all the Queer Theory enthusiasts on board, who are laying down a 180-degree opposite line on sexuality."

I was just pondering that the other day.

On the one hand, you've got Team A saying that gender is a social construct, a fabrication; an artificial pattern of outward behavior and inner aptitudes, appetites and responses which forms a false consciousness from which we must free ourselves...to invent our lives... to create ourselves anew...free to be... (breathlessly) ... you and me!

But on the other hand, Team B says that if (regardless of his XY genotype and his testes-and-penis phenotype and his hundred million live sperm) some boy is absolutely convinced he's meant to have sex with other boys, then he's really deep-down gay and cannot be changed!

And if he's long felt that he's "really a girl inside," then he's got to be flouncy, bouncy, frilly and feminine, from his false eyelashes to his pink-painted toenails, because that, my friends, is his (excuse me, her) real inner gender and THAT cannot be changed!

So this confused young male gets a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, which means unhappiness about the sex he was born, and goes under the knife to cut his external genitalia down to size, plus drugs to make him a moody jeune fille in a fetching bustier, and by jiminy, he still has gender dysphoria (he's still unhappy about the sex he was born), plus in due time he can be even more miserable about the anti-phenotypical mess he's made of his poor maimed self.

Where do you think this bizzarro train will take us, culturally speaking?

Honestly, I'm sorry for kids these days.

87 posted on 06/29/2007 8:24:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Just curious.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So this confused young male gets a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, which means unhappiness about the sex he was born, and goes under the knife to cut his external genitalia down to size, plus drugs to make him a moody jeune fille in a fetching bustier, and by jiminy, he still has gender dysphoria (he's still unhappy about the sex he was born), plus in due time he can be even more miserable about the anti-phenotypical mess he's made of his poor maimed self.

Where do you think this bizzarro train will take us, culturally speaking?
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Interesting post. Genotypes and phenotypes and slurs against Jamie Lee Curtis aside, I think the bottom line is fraud.

The A-gay view of the world is, we are led to infer, Nietzschean amusement at lesser mortals laced with a more general contempt for breeders and impatience with the hash they have made of society. And therefore "we" (the gay A-list) are determined to rule, of necessity by cabal at first, but later on with an iron fist in a breathlessly fetching velvet glove that the breeders won't even notice, although they will be somewhat disappointed that so many of their most promising young Adonises will, somehow, become gay before they reach high school.

</Michael Swift rant>

In the first place I doubt seriously whether, off the set of Will and Grace, "most" or even many gays knew more about shoes than their mothers did before they reached high school, or that they are inevitably trendier and more au courant with fashion, taste, and style (please explain leather men, mud men, and the S&M scene, then). The idea that they are somehow ascendent in all the arts owes more, I think, to cabal and viciousness than to native ability, accomplishment, and style. Gays have formed "gay villages" in society by exclusion and the black arts of the eunuch that were already old and corrupt in the time of Honorius. If there is any ascendency there, it is that of the practiced liar, singing with a chorus of liars the wider society to deceive.

The root of the problem is, I think, woven of three separate strands. First is the phenotype/genotype problem you refer to, second is a psychological component whose study has been suppressed (not discouraged -- suppressed) by the agenda-driven essentialists who rolled the American Psychiatric Association in 1972 and whose political guard dogs control all the committees on sexual identity and its psychology ever since (and yet a substantial plurality of psych workers are still sure that such a component is present), and third is the role of seduction and, frankly, tampering by homosexual adults, very many of whom report that their own sexualization was accomplished by adults who reached them before they had had sexual relations with the other sex. Gays themselves acknowledge this tampering role among themselves but lie about it like dogs in political discourse, in favor of an essentialist "party line" that is subordinated to the drive for a Supreme Court decree of moral equality.

To answer your question at last then, the destination is the door of the Supreme Court and a winner-take-all fight for the truth, as against what the gays want to do.

They will either prevail or fall short there, with the help of gay Supreme Court associate justice(s) and clerks, assisted as usual by the intermeddling of Professor Laurence Tribe of Harvard, who back-channels to his former students clerking for the Justices and suggests to them useful precedents to bring forward to the Justices' attention, as he has done in any number of cases previously and as, I have no moral doubt, in the Lawrence decision as well, in which the Supreme Court amazingly reversed its own precedent of only 17 years' standing.

101 posted on 06/29/2007 11:50:58 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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