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Pa. black caucus: No gun laws, no budget
Phila delphia Inquirer ^ | Jun. 28, 2007 | Amy Worden

Posted on 06/28/2007 3:16:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Angry Phila. legislators aim to hold up spending bill over crime relief.

HARRISBURG - Anger about the lack of action on gun-control bills boiled over onto the House floor yesterday, with several African American Democrats from Philadelphia vowing to hold up passage of the state budget unless their bills are considered. With the city's death toll approaching 200 this year, six members of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus made impassioned pleas for help during an unexpected two-hour discussion about gun violence and many of its root causes: drugs, joblessness and poverty.

They were not debating a bill; none of the 14 anticrime bills introduced this session has even made it out of a House committee.

Amid a busy day filled with a slew of budget bills, Rep. Jewell Williams, chairman of the Philadelphia delegation, used a parliamentary procedure known as "unanimous consent" to voice his frustration over the stalled gun-control bills.

"I am going to make it completely clear: no gun legislation, no votes for the budget," Williams said. "Philadelphia members are constantly asked to support legislation that helps other areas of the state as our pleas for help continue to fall on deaf ears.

The Democrats hold a one-seat majority in the 203-member House. The caucus, with 17 members, could block the budget.

Rep. Thomas W. Blackwell of Philadelphia told anti-gun-control rural lawmakers, who make up the majority of the House, that he had no intention of trying to restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens.

"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia."

Several suburban Philadelphia lawmakers stood to support their urban colleagues. Rep. Mike Gerber (D., Montgomery) said gun violence has a negative effect on the region.

"These problems don't know city borders," he said. "The guns flow into Montgomery County, certainly in levels that are unacceptable."

Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus, which has 17 House members, invoked the words of civil rights activist Malcolm X on the House floor, saying he was prepared to advance the cause of gun control "by any means necessary."

"We are prepared to stand firm and we could hold up some things," he said. When asked whether he meant the budget, Kirkland said, "yes."

It was unclear how many other members of the caucus would support Williams and Kirkland in their threat, but House leadership recognized the power of the caucus as a voting bloc.

"Their concern is legitimate; you can't blame them for using the only tool in their toolbox," said Mike Manzo, chief of staff for House Majority Leader Bill DeWeese (D., Greene). "They wield considerable influence."

Gov. Rendell has repeatedly called for stricter gun laws, even going so far last month as to suggest that the legislature was being controlled by the National Rifle Association.

His spokesman, Chuck Ardo, said Rendell sympathizes with the Philadelphia legislators' intent and that "he himself intends to make a further push for the one-handgun-a month legislation in the fall."

But, he added, "If the governor held up the budget over every critical issue facing the commonwealth, at least the essential personnel will be here when the snow falls."

Early yesterday evening, in a surprise move, Rep. Thomas Caltagirone (D., Berks), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, called a committee meeting to vote on Williams' bill to require the reporting of lost and stolen firearms (HB 29).

It failed by a vote of 11-17, but committee members agreed to reconsider the legislation later.

Other gun-control legislation still in the House Judiciary Committee includes a bill that would limit handgun purchases to one a month and another that would allow Philadelphia to craft its own gun laws.

One outcome of yesterday's impromptu gun-control debate is a new commission that will come up with bipartisan anticrime legislation.

House Speaker Dennis O'Brien (R., Phila.), responding to a request from members, said he would form a special commission to address crime and violence. His spokesman, Bill Patton, said the commission members would include outside experts and crime victims' groups, as well as lawmakers, who will draft legislation for consideration this fall.

For some, there's been enough talk about crime.

"Commissions are fine," said Kirkland. "But we have to move beyond that. We need action."

Contact staff writer Amy Worden at 717-783-2584 or aworden@phillynews.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; gungrabbers; pa; pennsylvania; rtkba; secondamendment
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To: neverdem

Have them marry their women, keep jobs and help raise their children. The gun issue will go away.

Flame away. It’s the truth.


21 posted on 06/28/2007 3:47:12 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: neverdem

no budget = no spending = no taxes

And no gun control is the icing on the cake.

Full speed ahead!


22 posted on 06/28/2007 3:52:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: metmom
Or is that too simple for them to figure out?

No -- but it would require identifying the inner city culture(?) and its denizens as the problem.
23 posted on 06/28/2007 3:56:35 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Nachoman
Okay, how about no guns for black people. Would that make them happy?

Since they want to implement a policy of no guns for any people, and blacks are people, it follows that they want no guns for black people.

From a practical point of view, the policy of no guns for any people may not be achievable. So (using the salami tactics of the left) you propose no guns for black people to the lawmakers as a start. See what their answer is to that.

24 posted on 06/28/2007 3:58:18 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Cicero
Black preachers need to get on to this.

They are too busy working for the dhimmicrats.
25 posted on 06/28/2007 3:58:53 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: neverdem

to the degree that all this will accomplish will be to force Ed Rendell to order a 55 gal. drum of Maalox, I like it!


26 posted on 06/28/2007 3:59:44 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Taking guns from law-abiding citizens won’t solve the problem of this guy’s constituents killing each other. Try having them get married before having kids. Try having them stop the self-loathing hate and work and study hard.

Honesty, how disgusting!

27 posted on 06/28/2007 4:00:08 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Sorry I missed it. What was the disgusting part exactly?


28 posted on 06/28/2007 4:34:44 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: tcostell

The honesty part. Heavy sarcasm used here. More explicitly, some folks will deny that the problem lies within themselves and will call others names and point to all sorts of outside conditions to avoid confronting the fact that the problem lies within. They are lying to themselves and others and when someone dares state the truth, as Leftism succinctly did, they get outraged and squeal like stuck pigs. Hence, my sarcastic comment.


29 posted on 06/28/2007 4:42:19 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: neverdem
To the Philly race hustlers! "We happily accept! No budget!"

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

30 posted on 06/28/2007 4:45:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

Son control,
not gun control.


31 posted on 06/28/2007 4:45:32 PM PDT by stimpy17 (Home of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Please excuse me... I didn’t see a /s tag.
32 posted on 06/28/2007 4:47:56 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: metmom
The root cause of crime is criminals. How about toughening laws that punish crimes and lock up criminals? But I can see they're not for that at all. They want to disarm law-abiding Philadelphians and demand the repeal of the Second Amendment. The violence is NOT being caused by those who conceal carry inside the city limits.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

33 posted on 06/28/2007 4:48:06 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Grut
That is quite a Gordian knot you have woven there. - I like it.

Send your suggestion along to the Mayor’s office, the city councilmen’s offices and email and mail all of their staff as well.

I would pay to see that splashed on the Philthy Inquirer.

34 posted on 06/28/2007 5:08:38 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Clintonfatigued

“Back to the Plantation with you. And thanks for the votes.”


35 posted on 06/28/2007 5:48:35 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (THE US SENATE IS THE MOST CORRUPT BODY POLITIC SINCE THE ROMAN EMPIRE.)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


36 posted on 06/28/2007 6:14:18 PM PDT by Tribune7 (More Americans die each day than watch Chris Matthews)
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To: Cicero

Let me guess; you’re NOT a democrat.


37 posted on 06/28/2007 7:09:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: goldstategop

“gun violence and many of its root causes: drugs, joblessness and poverty.” So if you’re a druggie, a welfare recipient or poor, you don’t have any clue that killing and robbing people is wrong.


38 posted on 06/28/2007 7:12:28 PM PDT by boop
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To: neverdem

Can’t they just outlaw guns for BLACKS???


39 posted on 06/28/2007 7:14:01 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: metmom

Right.


40 posted on 06/28/2007 7:26:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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