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The Dem's are desperately trying to create a new impoverished majority which they can make dependant on their largesse. That's their stock-in-trade. If they are successful, they will be able to implement every insane policy you can possibly imagine. That is why we are so adamant about holding the line on this issue. I believe illegal immigration, followed closely by its enablers, diversity and multiculturalism, is the number one threat to our Nation,

We're in complete agreement regarding the above. Complete. I was glad to see this bill defeated in the process (as I've said for over a week it would be!).

Where I have a problem is with the tremendous disrespect and utterly nutcase-ness of a segment of our base regarding having a difference of opinion on this matter with our POUTS GWB.

To have a thriving, improving Limited Republic our party has to be big enough to allow for disagreement on issues (not having a bunch of cookie-cutter cutouts in suits). I didn't agree with the WH position on this issue (just as many didn't agree with R. Reagan's back in 86)....But that is completely different then saying the POTUS GWB is a failure, a traitor, an idiot, needs to be impeached, blah, blah, blah.....cry the sky is falling BS.

The system worked. This bill was defeated within the process. Hyperventilating over a single cloture vote like so many did earlier this week was silly.

Seeing that some of our base is made up of the same ilk of the DEM left (only with better politics 90% of the time) is sad to witness.

I understand what you are saying, and yes, I agree that some on our side can be as irrational as 99% of those on the left seem to be, but we are in very different times now than we were in 1986. The fact that the President of the United States and a very large percentage of the U.S. Congress have been trying to push this through in the face of 70-80% public opposition is stunning, and should give everyone great pause, regardless of the issue at hand. I am a dyed-in-the-wool Conservative, and have enthusiastically voted for President Bush each time. However, I don't think it is "hyperventilating" to point out that he has abandoned his conservative base on this issue, and that his actions constitute a DIRECT AND SERIOUS breach of his oath of office. As has been pointed out many times, if our elected officials, particularly the Executive Branch, in whom the power to defend the United States is vested, refuse to repel foreign invaders and to secure the Nation's borders, they have committed what arguably could be an impeachable offense.

That’s exactly what The Swimmer had in mind with his rats nest amnesty bill. First, confuse everyone with a piece of crap no one could understand. Second, rush it through saying it was a bi-partisan effort (Yeah right!...Only 12 senators behind closed doors, six Rhino’s and six whack job radicals from the far left). Third, there you have it! an instant massive new base for the left to get all their rediculous socialist of existence and the only thing left would be huge liberal compounds of very rich people in the media, movie industry and far left politicians (Kennedy and Soros come to mind). Then they would have this huge government dependent group of uneducated non-English speaking people and their huge famlies supporting them. THE PERFECT LIBERAL SCENARIO! but wait a minute Teddy boy!....Your train just got derailed by a lot of mad as hell Americans, so... stuff your amnesty, douche bag!

(Sorry bout that—reposting...)That’s exactly what The Swimmer had in mind with his rats nest amnesty bill. First, confuse everyone with a piece of crap no one could understand. Second, rush it through saying it was a bi-partisan effort (Yeah right!...Only 12 senators behind closed doors, six Rhino’s and six whack job radicals from the far left). Third, there you have it! an instant massive new base for the left to get all their rediculous socialist bills passed so that the middle class could be taxed out of exsistence and the only thing left would be huge liberal compounds of very rich people in the media, movie industry and far left politicians (Kennedy and Soros come to mind). Then they would have this huge government dependent group of uneducated non-English speaking people and their huge famlies supporting them. THE PERFECT LIBERAL SCENARIO! but wait a minute Teddy boy!....Your train just got derailed by a lot of mad as hell Americans, so... stuff your amnesty, douche bag!