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==The creationists could be ignored...Intelligent Design is not like that. It is aggressive and therefore potentially dangerous. It says to the Darwinians: “You don’t have the evidence to support your claims. Your lab results and fossils don’t support your theory. Organisms are way too complex to have arisen by chance. Take all the time you want, it won’t be enough. Even though we don’t know how it happened, these critters must have been designed somehow.”

I disagree with Bethal on this point. A new movement such as ID tends to view many or all of their arguments as novel, but the creationists have been using many of the same arguments for years, debating evolutionists on university campuses, and otherwise taking the fight to the enemy...and they will continue to do so until the issue is decided once and FOREVER.

13 posted on 06/27/2007 12:14:10 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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and they will continue to do so until the issue is decided once and FOREVER.

Given that it's pretty well accepted that absolute proof of either proposition is unlikely to be forthcoming, what is your assesment of the likely means of resolution?

17 posted on 06/27/2007 12:18:23 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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How will it be "decided" pray tell?

The creationists never want to have an actual debate on the evidence for evolutionary change-which is great-or the merits of their philosophy since it boils down to a metaphysical argument, not a scientific one.

It's fine to point out the shortcomings in a scientific theory, but when you actually have to posit a hypothesis that doesn't rest upon any tangible empirical evidence you find yourself in a bit of sticky wicket, don't you?

19 posted on 06/27/2007 12:20:05 PM PDT by Reaganite1984
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A new movement such as ID

The Watchmaker appeared in 1800. Several other mechanics also appeared in the early 1800s. Is that the beginning of the 'movement'?

23 posted on 06/27/2007 12:21:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: GodGunsGuts
In the early days of computing each program had
to be individually crafted. Then an "intelligent
designer",(John Von Neuman), came up with the idea that
a stored program was data. It wasn't long before people
wrote Assemblers & Compilers.

The Intelligent Designer didn't have to design every
thing. But set the groundwork for the basics: Gravity,
Atoms, and so forth. The concept of evolution became
a starting point. But the ultimate design tool, like
the compilers above, was THE MIND.

Straightforward for me.

39 posted on 06/27/2007 12:30:50 PM PDT by cliff630 (We're here. Why & How?? Great to ponder, isn't it?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Intelligent Design is not like that. It is aggressive and therefore potentially dangerous.

ID is dangerous because it is a fraud. No, I'm not talking it's argument against evolution, I'm talking about the fraud wherein it pretends to be non-religious, when in fact it is all about religious faith.

The fact that GodGunsGuts supports it is one of but many pieces of evidence that demonstrates that point.

GGG claims that evolution is "religion" (how that gives his religion a leg up on the "religion" of evolution I don't know). But there is no doubt that religious creationism begat ID, which porports to be a-religious, and is thus a fraud.

40 posted on 06/27/2007 12:30:55 PM PDT by narby
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