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To: freeandfreezing

“Somehow you think that quoting from the Libertarian web site as a way of explaining their position is misleading,”

I believe it is misleading to partially quote their positions especially when the next sentence following the quote you gave indicates that the Libertarian position is that denying immigrants benefits is not a solution to the immigration problem.

“...and you still insist on twisting their positions — like claiming that advocating more open legal immigration, including securing the border and requiring background checks, etc. for immigrants is equivalent to supporting illegal immigration.”

Never said it was equivalent. I said that it was not conservative and was more liberal than the ‘amnesty bill’ just rejected by the Senate.

For example, the Senate amnesty bill at least put limits on immigration. And, I’m hardly twisting their position when I point out the official Libertarian position from the paper you referenced calls for ‘free and open immigration’.

Nor am I distorting their position when I point out that their version of regulating the borders consists of a virtual fence to “encourage” immigrants to use official border crossings so that we might check their vaccination records.

“So how is it misleading to point out, as I posted previously, that some of the Libertarian ideas are more conservative in nature than the ideas being promoted by politicians who call themselves conservative?”

Simply because when you make statements like: “Seeing the whole story puts the idea of more open (but still regulated) borders in quite a different light. The Libertarian position on immigration is actually quite a bit more “conservative” than the position any Republican politician has taken.”, you grossly distort the Libertarian position. “More open”? The Libertarians would have “free and open” borders. “Regulated”? No limits on immigration is “regulated”. You might call these positions many things, but conservative is not one of them.

But you are correct, when the complete Libertarian position is fairly expressed it does put those positions in a “different light”.

“It is clear to me that you are determined to find fault with whatever ideas are proposed by the Libertarians.”

Quite the contrary. I find some Libertarian positions, especially on economic matters, quite compelling. I find their positons on defense and social issues, well, misguided at best.


183 posted on 07/02/2007 3:42:59 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: DugwayDuke

So I take it you think the idea of denying any governmental benefits to immigrants, as a condition of their being allowed to immigrate, is a bad idea?

And I presume, by your statements, that you think a physical fence will work better than a network of sensors to detect illegal border crossers. How does a fence 50 miles from the nearest guard or road stop anyone with even primitive tools from cutting a hole in the fence and walking right in?


184 posted on 07/02/2007 7:07:00 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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