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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I forgot to address this in my last response, but the reason I specifically chose abortion and gay marriage as questions about traditional values and liberty is because they are both issues which ARE BEING DEALT WITH through federalism by social conservatives

Lol...
That's why "social conservatives" are pushing to nominate SCOTUS judges who support federal anti abortion law?
That's why "social conservatives" have turned abortion into a general election platform?
That's why "social conservatives" enacted law that takes my right to spend my money any way I please?
That's why "social conservatives" have thrown out the separation of church and state by taxing me and giving my money to Pat Robertson?

Yes, that's why "social conservatives" have to use the invented "social conservative" term. People wouldn't look on you so kindly if you used your real title...Theocrat.
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124 posted on 06/27/2007 12:57:31 PM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
That's why "social conservatives" are pushing to nominate SCOTUS judges who support federal anti abortion law?

Oddly enough, when you have a SCOTUS decision like Roe v. Wade which nationalises the abortion issue, and which is subsequently used to overturn any attempts at federalism on the issue, you sort of have to first get SCOTUS justices who will overturn the previous bad judicial interpretation before the issue can be returned back to the States. Get it?

That's why "social conservatives" have turned abortion into a general election platform?

Last I checked, an electoral platform was not law. An electoral platform is what a party uses as its guiding principles and which (generally) identify what a candidate from that party will tend to believe. And yes, if the social conservatives want to turn abortion into a general electoral point so as to see expansive and unconstitutional judicial activism (read Roe v. Wade) overturned, and returned to the States, then that's a point FOR federalism.

That's why "social conservatives" enacted law that takes my right to spend my money any way I please?

Without your being more specific, this point has absolutely no meaning.

That's why "social conservatives" have thrown out the separation of church and state by taxing me and giving my money to Pat Robertson?

If we want to be real technical about the Constitution, there IS no "separation of church and state". However, saying so does not make a person a "theocrat", it merely makes them a Constitutional literalist. As for "giving money to Pat Robertson", I'd have to ask for some eludication on this (linkie please?) because as it currently stands, this makes you sound like you are perilously close to being in "kook conspiracy theorist" country.....

126 posted on 06/27/2007 1:06:44 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Thompson is Duncan Hunter without the training wheels)
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To: radioman; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I think Paul sees himself as more of a "constitutionalist" than either a "libertarian" or a "conservative."

that's why "social conservatives" have to use the invented "social conservative" term. People wouldn't look on you so kindly if you used your real title...Theocrat.

I don't see how calling people "theocrats" helps. As a traditional Catholic, I consider myself about as "socially conservative" as they come, but there's nothing on my radar screen, as far as the federal government is concerned, beyond stopping them from forcing legalized abortion on the entire country and keeping them form forcing same-sex "marriage" on the entire country. I think it's possible to be socially conservative and politically constitutionalist/libertarian.
133 posted on 06/27/2007 1:19:59 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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