Posted on 06/27/2007 8:26:40 AM PDT by firehat
Exactly. We’re bigots for trying to keep the country from becoming a high tax nanny state.
On day-to-day disagreements, I would tend to agree with you.
But when someone beings to represent an existential threat to your country and everything that you believe in, it is no longer about "respecting a president."
It is no longer about loyalty.
It is no longer about niceness.
It is about destroying that which is seeking to destroy you.
Agreed. There's something very immature about not being able to see any good in someone with whom one has disagreed on an issue.
I love my prez but even I have to question some of the things he has done, i.e., supporting Arlen Specter, stance on this godawful amnesty-immigration legislation, Patriot Act. This in turn has me questioning his Iraqi stance.
Quoting a famous movie passage, “Going through life fat, drunk and stupid” is no way to go. BLIND faith is a cop out. Yes, he is better than the other alternative, BUT this bill is NOT in the best interest of the American people.
Quite simple:
(1) They broke the law.
(2) They lied about breaking the law afterwards.
(3) We have rules governing evidence in our courts, and their lawbreaking invalidated the evidence against the drugrunner. He would be in prison now if the agents hadn't compromised the investigation with their illegal activity.
(4) The drugrunner - like anyone else in the world - has a right to sue anyone in a US civil court.
His suit completely irrelevant to the issue. A random guy living in Kazakhstan whom you have never met could theoretically sue you in civil court tomorrow for any number of made-up reasons as long as he filed a complaint - the drugrunner's suit has nothing to do with the President or the DOJ.
And as if any of us care whether the thief who steals from us has a brown or white hand. What a lame thing to say.
It is understandable that you may feel hurt and confused. But, GE has taken far more hits than you can even imagine to defend the security of this country. That deserves some degree of respect. To disagree with his position on immigration is one thing, to label him a moron is quite another.
Amazing. Two BP agenst DOING THEIR JOB shoot a drug runner in the derriere and YOU take the drug-runner’s side! :o
That’s the mindset that trial lawyers look for during voir dire...
There is no hate for anyone on my part! Also, no hero worship.
I just think that there are a lot of people on this site that are one issue voters, and whine and cry, and take their toys and run away if they do not get their way on every issue.
As a retired military officer and now a teacher of JROTC in an urbran high school, I think I am qualified to speak, both as a supporter of our Commander-in-Chief, and as a witness to the current state of affairs. Let me say from the start that this immigration bill is a SELL OUT of middle class America and of our traditional values. The FASTEST growing segment in our schools is Hispanic. In my estimation, 30% are here illegaly, 40% were born here to illegals, and the other 30% are legal Hispanic-Americans. Many refuse to recite the Pledge, they openly speak Spanish, they listen to Latino music with IPODS in the hallways, and they exert little effort to assimilate. In other words, they are taking their OPPORTUNITY FOR GRANTED. As a result of my experience in the school system, knowing the sheer numbers involved, the way Administration cators to them with open arms, and the attitudes that many have toward American generosity, I see this whole thing as a TRAVESTY. WAKE UP AMERICA.
No, he didn't.
He said we "DO NOT WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS COUNTRY"
No he didn't.
He said he is going to push through this destructive bill even though 80% of Americans do not agree with it.
No, he didn't.
He hates us, there is no other way to interpret these, any other, action of the President.
Well I guess if you can make up words to put in his mouth, you can make up emotions to put in his heart too.
A very, very inappropriate headline to post here, IMO.
But if it gets gangrene, I am going to cut it off.
President Bush has abandoned his base. There is nobody left to defend him. History will be his judge, but it will be written by leftists and radicals his misguided decisions benefitted (if there is an American nation state still standing in fifty years.)
Sorry to admit that I wasted my vote in 2004.
elizabetty, this feud has gone over the line. Bush’s policies may be imprudent, unwise and even detrimental. However, I do not think he actually hates you are those that disagree with him. Even if he did, I do not think that justifies engaging in the kind of behavior I thought was reserved for DU.
The current alien invasion from the south serves BOTH the elites who run Mexico – and many of the OTHER states of Central and South America -- and the political ruling class who increasingly run the United States:
· It takes pressure off the 60 or so families who control approximately 80% of the wealth in Mexico. Without the northern “safety valve” (the United States) for their poor, those poor MIGHT be inclined to do what America’s early colonists found it necessary to do: Revolt! Parenthetically, that would be MY suggestion for them: Instead of fleeing here – and converting “here” to a larger, more poverty infested version of “there,” they ought to stay there and make “there” into their version of “here,” whatever that would be. Revolutions ARE messy and there are no guarantees that they will produce the desired result. But – according to one T. Jefferson – they are often necessary. Never forget that THIS country was born in revolution!
· For the NAFTA/CAFTA coveting US national ruling class – especially those who, in varying degrees, quest after some sort of One-World utopia run by guess who? – it provides yet another level of insecurity and tension among the indigenous populace which can be used to justify new and more draconian limits to freedom here. Instead of securing the borders, allow millions of illegals to come in and when the natives become alarmed, require a national ID card. “Your papers, please!” will soon become a phrase familiar to all. It’s Mr. Franklin’s trade of freedom for (false) security. It’s also the time-tested Hegelian Dialectic the One-Worlders have successfully worked like a rented mule.
While they occasionally squabble among themselves, the elites of history have ALL had one thing in common: They will do ANYTHING to remain in charge. And throughout that history, except for the 230 year-old experiment in freedom called “America,” most of the men who have walked the earth have lived as slaves to these elites whether they call themselves kings, emperors, potentates, sultans, czars – or presidents.
Get ready, folks. Unless some SERIOUS changes are made and the handful of Americans who CARE about liberty get involved, that history will almost certainly repeat here.
Now for the SPECIFICS of the matter:
My take on Bush's role in all of this is:
1. His long and apparently positive experience with the large hispanic population in Texas is largely responsible for his inaction on this alien invasion. And why wouldn't HIS experience with them be positive as he traveled in the highest, best-educated circles among them, not the Hispanic gangbangers and pine-straw spreaders...
2. His brother Jeb is married to a native of Mexico and his nieces and nephews are mixed blood. And before you scream "ethnocentric bigot" at me, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But that fact -- and the first item -- DOES predispose him to a warm and fuzzy feeling for folks from south of the Rio Grande.
And if -- in some strange and metastasizing American desire for a new royal family dynasty -- Jeb should win the White House in some future presidential beauty contest designed to divert the American electorate every four years, I'd bet that HIS activities toward this alien invasion will make W's behavior look like a warm-up exercise.
And that Jorge was raised by hispanic nannies -- what with daddy running Zapata Petroleum (eventually into the ground) thanks to the Yale Skull and Bones old boy network --the elder Bush could afford to have them (but probably not pay them too much lest they get uppity).
If Jorge gets his way, any vestige of our previously fairly well assimilated European culture will be a distant memory.
With Bush fighting a never-ending “War on Terror,” sending more people to Iraq (many of whom are attempting to seal the borders of IRAQ for God’s sake!) and extending duty tours at the same time really bad people are doing all they can to get really bad stuff (chemical, biological and nuclear) into this country (it’s probably already here) to do really bad things (probably worse than 9-11), why in the hell has he ignored AMERICAN borders that leak like sieves?
Bush obviously thinks securing IRAQ’S border from incursion by murderous thugs and protecting the decent IRAQI citizens from death is more important than securing AMERICAN borders and AMERICAN CITIZENS!
In a saner, more aware time, that sort of behavior would have produced charges of treason.
Alas, those times — like this country’s greatness — are far behind us, probably never to return.
The man is either delusional, schizophrenic or stupid.
Or – worse yet -- part of some plot to alter America forever.
The TRUTH of history almost always comes out. But if out it comes at all, it is almost also ALWAYS after the movers and participants are safely in their graves. Perhaps our great-grandkids will learn the REAL STORY of this illegal invasion and the effort by some to legitimize it in their future Spanish language history books.
What’s going on here today makes a mockery of the rule of law and FOOLS of those who, like my great-great grandparents, stood – and STILL stand – on line to get in here LEGALLY!
Either we’re a nation of LAWS – the United States Constitution being the overarching authority for all subsidiary laws -- or a nation of MEN! If we’ve become the latter, we’d better begin casting about for somewhere else to live and raise a family because history teaches that these sorts of places always get WORSE before getting better. Most stay worse for a long, long time. Cuba comes to mind.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in men but BIND THEM DOWN WITH THE CHAINS OF THE CONSTITUTION.” Thomas Jefferson
Over 2 centuries later, that’s STILL sound advice.
(Excuse me. Some large folks in ninja outfits at the door...never mind they just battered it down and are...
I agree. Basically the logical outcome of much of the discourse is a call for insurgency. The same pathetic result of the discourse at DU.
You may want to consider Iraq for an example of those who don’t use a political process to wield power.
There is little political participation in this country. Politics is despised. Crying about the Constitution is not battling politically. It is a denial of the constant battle for power and influence.
The Constitution was not a done deal and no constitution ever will be.
How will we get better leaders? How will capable conservatives be cajoled into office? If not for Republican Presidents, the Supreme Court would be liberal and there would be no conservative influence nationally. State legislatures are democrat. Congress is democrat.
Now I fear the election of a democrat President who goes hawk on the WOT. The right and left may together convince themselves in their conspiratorial fury to incite rebellion.
In the meantime, the crazy Muslim fanatics get their way because we are too foolish to realize how good things actually are.
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