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Six Flags closes more rides after Roller Coaster accident.
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Posted on 06/25/2007 12:06:35 PM PDT by John Cena

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To: HEY4QDEMS

No. I’m not splitting hairs. I understood that this is a ride where the passengers are dropped a long distance—hence the use of a cables which might snap. That seems a bit different from a rollercoaster. I could be wrong. At any rate, there’s no need to make an accusation like that.


41 posted on 06/25/2007 12:52:23 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Fred Thompson, '08)
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To: John Cena

It wasn’t a roller coaster, it was a “ride” where they drop you. The most scared I have ever been on a “ride” was at Knotts Berry Farm and it was the same kind of ride, where it takes you up really high then drops you fast. I was so scared, not my brain, but my heart. It was pounding, adrenaline was pumping. I was laughing and saying I am not really scared, I am just shaky, because I know it is SAFE. Turns out I was wrong, it wasn’t safe, it was the same kind of ride that this young girl was injure on. Scary stuff.


42 posted on 06/25/2007 12:56:39 PM PDT by buffyt (Passing the Amnesty Bill to Protect American Borders & make us safer is like "F*#@ing for Chastity!")
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Treva Smith was the best witness they could find?

They couldn't find nobody better.

43 posted on 06/25/2007 12:56:45 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (To make a conservative angry, lie to them. To make a liberal angry, tell them the truth.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Don’t give me that crap about kneejerking and being responsible. I guess it’s easy to say that when it has no direct on you. But what if this had happened to a friend or family member of yours? Would you still be talking about your statistics then.

This was a 13 year old girl who got on an amusement ride, like many other 13 year old girls do. And now her life is ruined because somebody didn’t do their job.


44 posted on 06/25/2007 12:57:24 PM PDT by John Cena
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To: HEY4QDEMS

If the pic in #29 is the ride, then they can classify it any way they want. That’s not what I call a rollercoaster, and that’s not what I expect to ride when I’m looking for a rollercoaster.


45 posted on 06/25/2007 12:58:06 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Fred Thompson, '08)
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To: Clara Lou
At any rate, there’s no need to make an accusation like that.

Relax. Don't get yourself all worked up.
There's definitely no need for that.
46 posted on 06/25/2007 12:58:35 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: ears_to_hear
Where was that ride built? Was it USA or China?

From the article: Intamin, a Swiss company, made all the rides that were closed by both companies...

47 posted on 06/25/2007 12:59:47 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Clara Lou
The pic in 29 is not the ride. But it is of a similar design.

I wouldn’t call it a roller coaster either but I also wouldn’t cynically correct someone who did.

48 posted on 06/25/2007 1:01:25 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

I agree with YOU 100%! That is why we rarely go to amusement parks now. Disneyland is still OK but so crowded. The Six Flags parks do not do enough maintainance on their rides. They had one I think it was called the Batman Ride at Houston Astroworld (now defunct) where you had to remove earrings. Because the ride banged your head/ears into the sides of the headrest so hard that earrings would hurt you. It was a great ride when new, but instead of replacing the foam that surrounded the head/ears - they just made you take off earrings. They just didn’t do the maintainance and the rides got bumpier and even painful. The good old wooden rollercoaster was good though. They are supposed to be bumpy.

At Disneyworld last year we rode the ride that two people have died on. It simulates a landing on Mars. I swear if it had lasted one more second my chest would have exploded. It was too real.


49 posted on 06/25/2007 1:01:29 PM PDT by buffyt (Passing the Amnesty Bill to Protect American Borders & make us safer is like "F*#@ing for Chastity!")
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To: John Cena

50 posted on 06/25/2007 1:01:56 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (To make a conservative angry, lie to them. To make a liberal angry, tell them the truth.)
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To: John Cena

You are RIGHT!


51 posted on 06/25/2007 1:02:23 PM PDT by buffyt (Passing the Amnesty Bill to Protect American Borders & make us safer is like "F*#@ing for Chastity!")
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To: Aquinasfan
It's hard to see how a multi-thread wire cable would snap

I think it's a lot like when you break spaghetti strands into smaller pieces, tough to bend until one breaks, then they all break. And while it is tough to break steel cable, it does happen.

And from the images I saw on TV, it was the cable itself that snapped. Having taken physics classes in High School, I remember enough to steer clear of anything where my life depends on a hydraulic line or a cable swooshing me about in the air.

52 posted on 06/25/2007 1:11:11 PM PDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Aquinasfan
"The factor of safety is defined as, “The ratio between the breaking load on a member, appliance, or hoisting rope and the safe permissible load on it.” "

The safety factor is the ratio of designed breaking strength to the maximum expected load. Generally, the load is limited to the working load, which is generally less than the maximum expected load. The working load is called the safe load.

" It's hard to see how a multi-thread wire cable would snap."

They do snap. Generally wear, fatigue and strain in the outer fibers result in a higher stress on the inside fibers. If the cable isn't lubed right, or is subjected to a kink, or small radius bend, they tend to snap. When cables and ropes break under stress, they are like bull whips. All the energy that was in the cable before the break ends up as motion of the cables. Since the riders saw the broken cable before it dropped, it looks like it broke at, or near an attachment point where it was crimped, or subjected to fiber movement and subsequent damage from friction. Crimps tend to strain outer fibers and increase the frictional force between fibers adjacent to the crimp.

Sad something like this would happen. I think it was easily preventable.

53 posted on 06/25/2007 1:16:22 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: AppyPappy

Elevators have emergency mechanisms built-in, and I’m sure this ride did also. The young lady was evidently injured by a broken cable, had it been an uncontrolled fall most likely everyone onboard would have been killed or injured.

I stick to Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride from now on...


54 posted on 06/25/2007 1:22:37 PM PDT by bigbob (2)
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To: visualops
Most peoples can’t speak good English no more.

Werd

55 posted on 06/25/2007 1:29:50 PM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Polls are for strippers and liberals." Caller to Rush, 6/5/2007)
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To: John Cena

13 year olds die in the bathtub, they die or are severely injured in car accidents, they are mamed or die on playgrounds! They get mamed and die in airplanes, on sidewalks, on monkey bars, playing dodge ball, playing volleyball, basketball, softball... etc etc etc..You are knee jerking foolishly.

You are running around screaming as though the ride was inherently dangerous, or that the designers intentionally built or the operators intentionally maintained it to be so.

This is foolishness. Your defense of your foolishness is even more foolishness.

I pulled my calf 2 weeks ago just running across the basketball court... I broke my arm as a child playing on my swingset.... I dislocated my kneecap on two different occassions playing sports... Would you claim that basketball or softball or volleyball are inheritly dangerous? And go on some diatribe against ball makers and retailers? How about being a passenger in a car? Far more kids mamed and killed doing that, which every kid does every day, than any other .... you going to tyrade against the auto dealers and manufacturers?

Facts are simple, systems fail... ALL systems fail. Its not fair, but its inevitable. Every machine EVER built will fail, its only a question of when and how. Designers and builders of amusement park rides take insane precautions to minimize the risk posed in the event of a failure, but there is no such thing as a 100% safe system, EVER. If you think you are guaranteed safety in life in ANYTHING you do, you are an idiot.

Obviously this girl, nor anyone else who got on this ride expected to get harmed, and expected to have a fun ride and get off and go to the next one... its the sheer fact that these rides are designed so safely that that is indeed what the overwhelming number of people expect and have happen. In fact as an industry, injuries on rides at permanent amusement parks are insanely rare, you are far more at odds to get hurt or killed flying or driving to the park than you are on any ride in it. Even so, like it or not, sometimes bad things happen.

Time will tell if this was a design, or a maintenance or some other catastrophic event that lead to this tragedy.. However to just rant against amusement parks or ride manufacturers over something like this with no facts or anything else is just foolishness.

Tell you what, next time a jetliner fails, and comes plummeting to the earth, I want to make sure I see and hear your outrage about how inept the engineers, builders and maintenance personel are.. the next time a car wrecks I want to hear you ranting about those horrible engineers and workers who built the car... etc etc etc.


56 posted on 06/25/2007 1:44:42 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Cooter

It seems the number one source of accidents is those moon bounce rides getting picked up by the wind and killing the occupants.

I never would have thought of a moon bounce as a particulary dangerous ride.

Meanwhile, I see one of the parks I’m scheduled to visit in August had a roller coaster derailment (Geauga Lake). I hope they have it fixed. We went to ride SOn of the beast last year but it was closed because some of the supports broke — and now they’ve removed the loop, which was the cool thing (a looping wooden coaster).

I also see another coaster we are riding in August had a small collision, but it seems to be back operational.

My kids were on the Drop Zone at Kings Dominion in Va. Thursday the 14th. They’ve shut that down, but frankly there are no cables anywhere near the riders on that one, the cables are inside the enclosed center of the ride, and the cables don’t move after the riders are dropped. I love that ride.

We will end up attending 6 or 7 theme parks this year (depending on whether we have time to go back to Hershey Park).

This will be our first trip to Cedar Point. They have a 420-foot coaster I’m scared to death to ride but I’ll probably ride it anyway — don’t know if my two children will join me or not.


57 posted on 06/25/2007 1:47:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today? You’re awfully (pointlessly) argumentative. I hope the rest of your day goes better.


58 posted on 06/25/2007 1:51:53 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Fred Thompson, '08)
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To: Clara Lou

That's a similar ride that has been redesigned to be safer. The ride that severed the teen's feet looked like this one. Notice the long exposed cable that runs the full length of the ride on the right hand side that is supported only at the top and bottom.

59 posted on 06/25/2007 2:02:55 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Incorrigible

That is a “similar” ride with the Superman name at another Six Flags park (Texas in this case). The Texas Superman ride is made by a different company than the ride on which the accident occurred.


60 posted on 06/25/2007 2:03:17 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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