[goldstategop]

Social conservatives would say legal coercion is necessary to buttress moral order. Libertarians would say people already observe a moral code - they have done that for thousands of years and the government has never been very good as a moral teacher. When you think of what politicians do, their own conduct discredits the idea of government as agent for moral good.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[gcruse]

Nicely put.

[sirchtruth]

Libertarians would say people already observe a moral code - they have done that for thousands of years and the government has never been very good as a moral teacher.

Libertarians do not accept the reality in order to have a free society (or better the Idea Of America) you must have a Standard Bearer. A higher "authority" recognized outside of gov't. What is absolutely essential in FREEDOM is the idea of "all men being created equal under God." However, what Libertarian's want to do is make "Behavior" equal. That will not work, because again, there has to be responsiblity with free will.

Whatever "moral code" Liberts. might adhere to is not a code given by a higher authority and accepted, this is a code "developed" in a box. It will not work.

[383rr]

“When you think of what politicians do, their own conduct discredits the idea of government as agent for moral good.”

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look at all the corrupt stooges in government..yeah, they have the answer.

And, just look at history. Anytime a government can make you a criminal, they will. It seems many have not yet learned a lesson from history. In fact, many here on this forum would have have us careening down the same roads in the name of “morality”.